[OSM-talk-ie] Talk-ie Digest, Vol 68, Issue 4

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>>    1. Open Data Ireland - Govt Survey on Datasets (Dave Corley)
>>    2. Re: Open Data Ireland - Govt Survey on Datasets (Rory McCann)
>>    3. Re: Meath field names (Rory McCann)
>>    4. Re: Meath field names
>>       (Killyfole and District Development Assocation)
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>> Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2015 15:52:58 +0000
>> From: Dave Corley <davecorley at gmail.com>
>> To: Discussion of Open Streetmap in Ireland
>>         <talk-ie at openstreetmap.org>
>> Subject: [OSM-talk-ie] Open Data Ireland - Govt Survey on Datasets
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>> Folks,
>>
>> tl;dr - go to https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/OpenDataIreland and complete
>> the survey to get the Irish govt to open up more geo data for us to use
>> with open licences
>>
>> I want to make you aware of a survey being run by Dept. of Public
>> Enterprise and Reform. For those not aware, it is this dept which is
>> responsible for driving the open data process in govt. They have done some
>> good work so far on data.gov.ie which has something like 500 datasets so
>> far. Granted most are not compliant in formats or are not of any value, but
>> it is a good start.
>>
>> Part of the next step is asking the public what data is considered high
>> value as this is what they will focus on releasing next (where possible).
>> With this is mind they are running at survey at
>> https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/OpenDataIreland which I would like to ask
>> as
>> many of you as possible to complete.
>>
>> They will ask for personal details and I was a bit hesitant at first, but
>> then realised the govt has all my personal details already.
>>
>> I was in the process of completing the survey and ranked geospatial data as
>> my number 1 choice in question 3. In question 5 it asks you to list 5
>> datasets that you would consider high value. I put the following:
>>
>> * Full & accurate boundary data for all boundaries in Ireland (coastline,
>> counties, townlands, towns, cities, etc) released as shapefiles
>> * Full set of roads shapefile to include all associated attribute data
>> (speed limit, road classification, name, reference number e.g. N17 etc)
>> * Building footprint shapefile for all buildings in Ireland including
>> related attribute data (building type (house, apartment etc), address, age
>> built etc)
>> * Shapefile of all historic monuments and site in Ireland including all
>> related attribute data (name, feature type, age, etc)
>> * Full release of Eircode post code data points for all of Ireland
>>
>> Feel free to copy or add your own
>>
>> The survey took about 10 mins to complete and only contains 12 questions in
>> total so I would urge you all to take a few mins to complete it, you never
>> know, it could lead to a load of OSi & other useful data being opened up
>> that we can use
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Dave
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 2
>> Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2015 19:25:20 +0100
>> From: Rory McCann <rory at technomancy.org>
>> To: Discussion of OpenStreetMap in Ireland <talk-ie at openstreetmap.org>
>> Subject: Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Open Data Ireland - Govt Survey on Datasets
>> Message-ID: <54B6B490.6000203 at technomancy.org>
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>> Hi Dave,
>>
>> That's a great idea. I've filled it in there, and would hope that
>> everyone will do it too. Like you I listed some ideal data sets. We'll
>> see what happens.
>>
>> re: Historic Monuments, there are shapefiles available for the
>> Archeological Survey of Ireland from the National Monuments Serice. You
>> can download the shapefiles here
>> http://www.archaeology.ie/archaeological-survey-ireland *but* the
>> copyright is closed. Only non-commerical usage etc.
>>
>> Rory
>>
>>
>> On 14/01/15 16:52, Dave Corley wrote:
>> > Folks,
>> >
>> > tl;dr - go to https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/OpenDataIreland and
>> > complete the survey to get the Irish govt to open up more geo data
>> > for us to use with open licences
>> >
>> > I want to make you aware of a survey being run by Dept. of Public
>> > Enterprise and Reform. For those not aware, it is this dept which
>> > is responsible for driving the open data process in govt. They have
>> > done some good work so far on data.gov.ie which has something like
>> > 500 datasets so far. Granted most are not compliant in formats or
>> > are not of any value, but it is a good start.
>> >
>> > Part of the next step is asking the public what data is considered
>> > high value as this is what they will focus on releasing next (where
>> > possible). With this is mind they are running at survey at
>> > https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/OpenDataIreland which I would like
>> > to ask as many of you as possible to complete.
>> >
>> > They will ask for personal details and I was a bit hesitant at
>> > first, but then realised the govt has all my personal details
>> > already.
>> >
>> > I was in the process of completing the survey and ranked geospatial
>> > data as my number 1 choice in question 3. In question 5 it asks you
>> > to list 5 datasets that you would consider high value. I put the
>> > following:
>> >
>> > * Full & accurate boundary data for all boundaries in Ireland
>> > (coastline, counties, townlands, towns, cities, etc) released as
>> > shapefiles * Full set of roads shapefile to include all associated
>> > attribute data (speed limit, road classification, name, reference
>> > number e.g. N17 etc) * Building footprint shapefile for all
>> > buildings in Ireland including related attribute data (building
>> > type (house, apartment etc), address, age built etc) * Shapefile of
>> > all historic monuments and site in Ireland including all related
>> > attribute data (name, feature type, age, etc) * Full release of
>> > Eircode post code data points for all of Ireland
>> >
>> > Feel free to copy or add your own
>> >
>> > The survey took about 10 mins to complete and only contains 12
>> > questions in total so I would urge you all to take a few mins to
>> > complete it, you never know, it could lead to a load of OSi & other
>> > useful data being opened up that we can use
>> >
>> > Thanks, Dave _______________________________________________
>> > Talk-ie mailing list Talk-ie at openstreetmap.org
>> > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie
>> >
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>> Message: 3
>> Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2015 20:48:53 +0100
>> From: Rory McCann <rory at technomancy.org>
>> To: Discussion of OpenStreetMap in Ireland <talk-ie at openstreetmap.org>
>> Subject: Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Meath field names
>> Message-ID: <54B6C825.6020709 at technomancy.org>
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>> On 04/01/15 15:37, Brian Prangle wrote:
>> > I came across this project last week
>> > http://www.meathfieldnames.com/ which is a voluntary effort
>> > identifying field names. So far they've collected about 24,000.
>> > Impressive
>> >
>> > Even more impressive is that their intractive map uses OSM
>> >
>> > Two things emerge
>> >
>> > 1.They're using OSM without attribution ( or it's so cleverly
>> > hidden I couldn't find it) so someone needs to contact them to
>> > correct this
>> >
>> > 2. Would it be useful to ask them if we could import their data?
>> >
>> > Regards
>> >
>> > Brian
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Interesting find! And truly a pretty impressive undertaking. Mapping
>> all the townlands in a county is hard, to go to the next level and add
>> fields as well! And then to go even further and add in lots of
>> metadata about the fields (names/owners/natural features), is
>> certainly a very impressive feat!
>>
>> If you zoom in very carefully, you can see their townland borders
>> don't quite match OSM's so it's not using OSM data for townlands. We
>> only have a third of Meath covered anyway. Since they are only
>> displaying their data on top of OSM, there is no licence issues.
>>
>> How they created it makes for interesting reading[1], they have mapped
>> the townlands and fields from scratch from their own copies of the old
>> maps:
>>
>> > it was decided to consult with various agencies to establish if
>> > any of them might have data sets already available with fields in
>> > Meath already digitised. The project consulted with Ordnance
>> > Survey Ireland, The Property Registration Authority (formerly Land
>> > Registry) and the Department of Agriculture.
>> >
>> > After considerable research, it was found that none of these
>> > bodies had a suitable dataset that they were prepared to make
>> > available to Meath Field Names Project.
>>
>> I wonder what was wrong with the OSi data?
>>
>> They then contracted Mallon Technologies to trace their old maps to
>> get the vector townlands, and that was done in 1-2 months. Not bad!
>>
>> Nevertheless, we should definitely contact them and tell them about
>> OSM, what we're doing, and see if they would be interested in sharing
>> their data. Likewise Mallon Technologies. I can do that.
>>
>>
>> Rory
>>
>>
>> [1] http://www.meathfieldnames.com/index.php/database-and-mapping
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>> Message: 4
>> Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2015 20:16:51 +0000
>> From: Killyfole and District Development Assocation
>>         <webmaster at killyfole.org.uk>
>> To: Discussion of OpenStreetMap in Ireland <talk-ie at openstreetmap.org>
>> Subject: Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Meath field names
>> Message-ID: <7380824.EX0xcAmJK5 at p500>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>
>> Please report back on their response to your questions.  I would be
>> interested
>> in doing something like this in Fermanagh, but have a few questions on how
>> they collected the data from the public.  I was thinking of approaching
>> DARD
>> to directly involve farmers, there might even be EU funding for this kind
>> of
>> historical data collection.
>>
>> Let us know how you get on!
>>
>> On Wednesday 14 Jan 2015 20:48:53 Rory McCann wrote:
>> > On 04/01/15 15:37, Brian Prangle wrote:
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> > Interesting find! And truly a pretty impressive undertaking. Mapping
>> > all the townlands in a county is hard, to go to the next level and add
>> > fields as well! And then to go even further and add in lots of
>> > metadata about the fields (names/owners/natural features), is
>> > certainly a very impressive feat!
>> >
>> > If you zoom in very carefully, you can see their townland borders
>> > don't quite match OSM's so it's not using OSM data for townlands. We
>> > only have a third of Meath covered anyway. Since they are only
>> > displaying their data on top of OSM, there is no licence issues.
>> >
>> > How they created it makes for interesting reading[1], they have mapped
>> > the townlands and fields from scratch from their own copies of the old
>> >
>> > maps:
>> > > it was decided to consult with various agencies to establish if
>> > > any of them might have data sets already available with fields in
>> > > Meath already digitised. The project consulted with Ordnance
>> > > Survey Ireland, The Property Registration Authority (formerly Land
>> > > Registry) and the Department of Agriculture.
>> > >
>> > > After considerable research, it was found that none of these
>> > > bodies had a suitable dataset that they were prepared to make
>> > > available to Meath Field Names Project.
>> >
>> > I wonder what was wrong with the OSi data?
>> >
>> > They then contracted Mallon Technologies to trace their old maps to
>> > get the vector townlands, and that was done in 1-2 months. Not bad!
>> >
>> > Nevertheless, we should definitely contact them and tell them about
>> > OSM, what we're doing, and see if they would be interested in sharing
>> > their data. Likewise Mallon Technologies. I can do that.
>> >
>> >
>> > Rory
>> >
>> >
>> > [1] http://www.meathfieldnames.com/index.php/database-and-mapping
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Talk-ie mailing list
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