[OSM-talk-ie] Talk-ie Digest, Vol 74, Issue 2

Colm Moore colmmoore72 at hotmail.com
Thu Jul 2 18:50:35 UTC 2015


> Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2015 11:51:45 +0100
> From: Ken Guest <kguest at php.net>
> Subject: Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Operator=*
> > Hi,
> >
> > I've been tidying up a lot of these, using
> > http://stat.latlon.org/ie/latest/tags-o.html and the likes.
> >
> >
> > There are a handful of entries for "First Trust" and "First Trust Bank"
> > which are **names**. The **operator** is "AIB Group (UK) p.l.c."
> > http://personal.firsttrustbank.co.uk/
> >
> 
> "AIB Group (UK)"  - are you sure about that there now Ted? :-)

Yes, if you check the link above , you will see that AIB runs First Trust. They even use the AIB 'Ark' logo.

"First Trust Bank is a trade mark of AIB Group (UK) p.l.c. (a wholly owned subsidiary of Allied Irish Banks, p.l.c.), incorporated in Northern Ireland. Registered Office 92 Ann Street, Belfast BT1 3HH. Registered Number NI018800. Authorised by the Prudential Regulation Authority and regulated by the Financial Conduct Authority and the Prudential Regulation Authority."

If you look at http://personal.aib.ie/branchlocator you will see that AIB has no branches in Northern Ireland.

Meanwhile First Trust only have branches in Northern Ireland. http://personal.firsttrustbank.co.uk/branchlocator


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> 
> Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2015 13:08:56 +0200
> From: moltonel 3x Combo <moltonel at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Operator=*
> 
> On 02/07/2015, Colm Moore <colmmoore72 at hotmail.com> wrote:
> > There are a handful of entries for "IE" (Iarnród Éireann) that need to be
> > changed  to "Irish Rail" (several thousand).
> 
> I actually thought that the main name (which goes in operator as
> opposed to operator:LC) was the irish one in this case ? The on-board
> annoucements say "Thank you for travelling on Iarnroód Éireann", and
> the irish name is displayed more prominently on the website. The
> domain name is in English, but that may be due to wanting to avoid
> diacritics. I can see that OSM has currently settled on the english
> name for operator=*, but I wonder wether that's strictly correct ?
> 

"IE" isn't correct, as it is missing the fada. Ther eis only a handful of "IE" entries, 3,026 "Irish Rail" entries and one "Irish Rail;Translink NI Railways" entry. I probably made north of half of all those entries.

Legally, the name is "Iarnród Éireann—Irish Rail" http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/1986/en/act/pub/0031/sec0007.html#sec7

They use both names, but never the dual name. The day-to-day use tends to be Irish Rail.

At the start, Irish Rail was dominant. However, they had a problem with people defacing their then "IR" logo to "IRA": http://farm1.staticflickr.com/2/3797462_95ac494eb8.jpg 

So they changed to having Iarnród Éireann dominant with the "IE" logo. http://c2.thejournal.ie/media/2013/02/irishrail-old-2.jpg
 
However, in promoting websales, they found that few people could spell www.iarnrodeireann.ie (possibly as few could pronounce it properly) so the website is now www.irishrail.ie 

Comparing Google results "Irish Rail" (with quotes) has 390,000 results, while "Iarnród Éireann"  (with quotes) has 150,000.

Now, I'm not sure if we want to get into operator=Iarnród Éireann—Irish Rail or operator:en=Irish Rail and operator:ga=Iarnród Éireann  - it would lead to too much confusion and would be maintenance intensive.

On balance, I think Irish Rail is the better one to use.

Colm



 		 	   		  


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