[OSM-talk-ie] Talk-ie Digest, Vol 95, Issue 8
Brian Prangle
bprangle at gmail.com
Thu Apr 20 11:20:20 UTC 2017
I'm a mapper based in the UK who maps also in ROI when I'm visiting
relatives. We've always been relaxed about where NI mappers see themselves
orientated in terms of chapter affiliation. I guess once OSMIE founds as a
chapter we'll need to discuss overlapping membership, but let's cross that
bridge when we come to it
Regards
Brian
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> 1. Re: Local chapter application by OpenStreetMap United Kingdom
> (Dave Corley)
> 2. Local chapter application by OpenStreetMap United Kingdom
> (Rob Nickerson)
> 3. OSM-talk-ie] Local chapter application by OpenStreetMap
> United Kingdom (Cormac O Murchú)
> 4. Mass edits (Colm Moore)
> 5. Re: Mass edits (Marc Gemis)
> 6. Re: Mass edits (Nick Burrett)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2017 13:23:15 +0100
> From: Dave Corley <davecorley at gmail.com>
> To: Discussion of Open Streetmap in Ireland
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> Cc: Colm Moore <colmmoore72 at hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Local chapter application by OpenStreetMap
> United Kingdom
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> Rob raised this in the past.
>
> If I recall, past discussions on this subject (NI) and under which group it
> should fall, was treated similar to the way the passport situation has been
> managed i.e. Those wanting to fall under the UK, registered with the UK
> group, those wanting to fall under the All Ireland group, register with
> that group.
>
> If there were conflicts, they would be managed by the group they were
> raised to.
>
> If there was some other major change / issue, both groups would work
> together to achieve a successful conclusion.
>
> With all that said, I do not see any special caveats called out for NI that
> would reflect any of the above, so yes, I would like to raise an
> objection/concern.
>
> Simply put, there are folks who will not recognise/resent a single group
> covering NI. This needs to be factored into the chapter documents.
>
> I believe that a discussion to hash out the finer details is warranted and
> an agreed set of terms laid out between both entities. Once we get moving
> on our chapter status, this would be included in ours also.
>
> Dave
>
>
> On 19 Apr 2017 12:19, <moltonel at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> On 18 April 2017 20:40:06 IST, Colm Moore <colmmoore72 at hotmail.com> wrote:
> >Paul,
> >
> >About 12% of my edits are in the UK, mostly Northern Ireland, with a
> >strong leaning to power and some other networks.
> >
> >
> >I have no particular opinion on this, other than there are certain
> >practicalities that make treating the island of Ireland as a single
> >geographical / mapping entity useful, e.g. the shared border, the
> >history of places / land administration (county, barony, townland,
> >etc.). This isn't just about boundaries, but also physical
> >infrastructure (e.g. the A3 has 5 border crossings), Ireland / Northern
> >Ireland don't use standard gauge railways (one exception) and
> >businesses (e.g. some banks operate on both sides of the border and
> >there is a single electricity market, where companies operate on both
> >sides of the border). That said, there are other businesses that
> >operate only in Britain and Northern Ireland (some banks) or Britain
> >and the Republic (Aldi).
> >
> >
> >That said, just because a chapter covers a particular region, doesn't
> >mean it can't have friendly relations with its neighbours. :) And it
> >doesn't stop people mapping across borders.
> >
> >
> >Note that the crown dependencies are not part of the UK, although there
> >are obvious parallels.
>
> I too live in ROI but include NI in my mapping activities (and Brexit won't
> change that :p). OSMIE (http://www.openstreetmap.ie/about-osmie/) has
> AFAIK
> stalled its progress towards becoming an OSMF local chapter, but I'm sure
> this'll eventually get done, and we'll want to include the whole island
> under the same umbrella.
>
> I trust that it isn't a problem for the OSMF if NI is covered by two
> distinct OSMF local chapters ?
> --
> Vdp
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> Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2017 21:43:16 +0100
> From: Rob Nickerson <rob.j.nickerson at gmail.com>
> To: talk-ie at openstreetmap.org, Paul Norman
> <paul.norman at osmfoundation.org>
> Subject: [OSM-talk-ie] Local chapter application by OpenStreetMap
> United Kingdom
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> Hi Dave,
>
> We have indeed said that we wouldn't object to NI being in an all-island
> local chapter as well. Users can then pick to be part of OSM UK or OSM IE
> or both.
>
> I think we need OSMF to agree to this but hopefully they recognise the
> importance here. The split can be very odd in many places. Colm raised the
> newly formed all island single energy market yet you have the Energy
> Networks Association (the voice of the networks which has a big voice in
> Westminster and Brussels, and i guess also in Irish government) which
> covers both UK and Ireland. The industry players are all over the place
> now: ESB has ESBI which operates globally, Bord Gáis is owned by Centrica,
> etc etc. Other industries have similar things.
>
> So how would you like to proceed? Perhaps we can agree some text to put
> into our agreement with the OSMF?
>
> Happy to help you set up an Ireland legal entity too. We will of course
> always notify you if we intend to write to any NI entities (we previously
> discussed the option of sending a joint letter in these instances).
>
> Rob
>
> P.s. I work in the energy industry. Give me a shout if you need anything. I
> assume you already know about GNIs network development plan and Eirgrids
> Dev plan and gen capacity statement?
>
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2017 00:00:42 +0100
> From: Cormac O Murchú <com at iol.com>
> To: <talk-ie at openstreetmap.org>
> Subject: [OSM-talk-ie] OSM-talk-ie] Local chapter application by
> OpenStreetMap United Kingdom
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> Paul and Rob , thanks for your considerate input.
>
>
>
> I would word matters so that an OSMF Member in NI has the simple choice of
> being a member of the IE Chapter or the UK Chapter, or both simultaneously.
> I believe this is entirely acceptable to Southerners who generally would be
> members of IE only.
>
>
>
> There are many advantages, the UK GOV is more serious about Open Data and
> best practice Open Data in the UK is better quality than what is available
> in the South. So I am quite amenable to being told ‘how to do Open Geo
> Data’
> by other OSMers.
>
>
>
> There is a larger pool of expertise in the south on traditional boundaries
> (from pre 1921) than in NI itself from what I can see too.
>
>
>
> But the best idea is to allow members living in NI to self identify their
> choice(s) and for the same rules in both IE and UK chapters to permit this.
>
>
>
> Thankfully OSM is a map of the world started by the British and not just of
> these small islands. What! :)
>
>
>
> My 2c …..or 1.8p
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2017 02:50:57 +0000
> From: Colm Moore <colmmoore72 at hotmail.com>
> To: "talk-ie at openstreetmap.org" <talk-ie at openstreetmap.org>
> Subject: [OSM-talk-ie] Mass edits
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> Hi,
>
>
> Tidying up some addresses, I have a 47 entries where:
>
> * addr:city=Offaly
>
> * addr:housenumber=Shinrone
> * addr:street=Roscrea Road
>
> Where addr:city should be addr:county and addr:housenumber should be
> addr:city. Let's ignore for the moment that the Roscrea Road name is
> questionable at the Roscrea end.
>
> Similarly, I have:
> * addr:city=Swords, Co. Dublin (174) - space
> * addr:city=Swords, Co.Dublin (108) - no space
>
> They should all really be addr:city=Swords and addr:county=Dublin or at a
> minimum, they should be the same.
>
> Fixing these manually is fine when there are only a few, but what is the
> simplest way of rectifying these types of errors when there are dozens or
> hundreds?
>
>
> Colm
>
>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2017 05:06:54 +0200
> From: Marc Gemis <marc.gemis at gmail.com>
> To: Discussion of OpenStreetMap in Ireland <talk-ie at openstreetmap.org>
> Subject: Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Mass edits
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> You could e.g. select them all in JOSM and edit them in one go. Or
> write an Overpass query to download only certain data.
>
> But since you are not inspecting them one-by-one, you are performing a
> mechanical edit and have to follow
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Automated_Edits_code_of_conduct
>
>
> m.
>
> On Thu, Apr 20, 2017 at 4:50 AM, Colm Moore <colmmoore72 at hotmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> >
> > Tidying up some addresses, I have a 47 entries where:
> >
> > * addr:city=Offaly
> >
> > * addr:housenumber=Shinrone
> > * addr:street=Roscrea Road
> >
> > Where addr:city should be addr:county and addr:housenumber should be
> addr:city. Let's ignore for the moment that the Roscrea Road name is
> questionable at the Roscrea end.
> >
> > Similarly, I have:
> > * addr:city=Swords, Co. Dublin (174) - space
> > * addr:city=Swords, Co.Dublin (108) - no space
> >
> > They should all really be addr:city=Swords and addr:county=Dublin or at
> a minimum, they should be the same.
> >
> > Fixing these manually is fine when there are only a few, but what is the
> simplest way of rectifying these types of errors when there are dozens or
> hundreds?
> >
> >
> > Colm
> >
> >
> >
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> Message: 6
> Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2017 10:00:19 +0100
> From: Nick Burrett <nick at sqrt.co.uk>
> To: Discussion of OpenStreetMap in Ireland <talk-ie at openstreetmap.org>
> Subject: Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Mass edits
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> How about deleting them all? All addr:city should be implicit from the
> address relations.
>
> Nick.
>
> On 20 April 2017 at 04:06, Marc Gemis <marc.gemis at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > You could e.g. select them all in JOSM and edit them in one go. Or
> > write an Overpass query to download only certain data.
> >
> > But since you are not inspecting them one-by-one, you are performing a
> > mechanical edit and have to follow
> > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Automated_Edits_code_of_conduct
> >
> >
> > m.
> >
> > On Thu, Apr 20, 2017 at 4:50 AM, Colm Moore <colmmoore72 at hotmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > >
> > > Tidying up some addresses, I have a 47 entries where:
> > >
> > > * addr:city=Offaly
> > >
> > > * addr:housenumber=Shinrone
> > > * addr:street=Roscrea Road
> > >
> > > Where addr:city should be addr:county and addr:housenumber should be
> > addr:city. Let's ignore for the moment that the Roscrea Road name is
> > questionable at the Roscrea end.
> > >
> > > Similarly, I have:
> > > * addr:city=Swords, Co. Dublin (174) - space
> > > * addr:city=Swords, Co.Dublin (108) - no space
> > >
> > > They should all really be addr:city=Swords and addr:county=Dublin or at
> > a minimum, they should be the same.
> > >
> > > Fixing these manually is fine when there are only a few, but what is
> the
> > simplest way of rectifying these types of errors when there are dozens or
> > hundreds?
> > >
> > >
> > > Colm
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------------------------------------
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> > > Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can
> > change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has. Margaret
> Mead
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