[OSM-talk-ie] Typos in Townland names

[Patrick Matthews]

Brian,

On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 12:32 PM, Brian Tuffy <brian.tuffy at gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks, I have started mapping some "X (part of)" townlands as exclaves now
> (part of the 'parent' townland relation). This works well for the most
> part. I noticed that the 'parent' Townland usually has an additional area,
> for example "including 10A 1R 7P  dd. portion". This area matches the area
> of the exclave, so that makes sense.
>
> Here is a difficult example though, Although it says "Part of Rahard" it is
> not obvious that it is an exclave as the 'parent' townland is about 4
> townlands to the North West (There is even a third unrelated "Rahard" to
> the west which makes it difficult). I can identify the correct parent
> townland by matching the E.D. and the "area ...d.d. portion". The areas
> match, so it IS an exclave, but a strange one. The areas are relatively the
> same size and its not obvious why it is an exclave and not another townland
> with the same name. I will leave it alone for now.
> exclave:
> http://maps.openstreetmap.ie/?zoom=16&lat=53.63809&lon=-9.
> 10907&layers=B00TTFFFFFFFFFFF
> Parent:
> http://maps.openstreetmap.ie/?zoom=17&lat=53.67605&lon=-9.
> 161&layers=B00TTFFFFFFFFFFF



They're in different civil parishes but have been drawn into the same DED.
In this case, I would say that
they're two separate townlands which just happen to have the same name and
are being incorrectly
treated as two parts of the same townland.(This is a different issue to
having a single townland "split"
between civil parishes.) I suspect that they will have different logainm
references as well. I made a
similar change last week to the two Corravillas in Shercock ED (Cavan) when
I was finishing up the
EDs there.


>
>
>
> Another somewhat unrelated question is, Could "Bal of Dookinnely (Calvy)"
> (Ball Dumha Cinn Aille) be an exclave of nearby "Dookinnely (Calvy)" (Dumha
> Cinn Aille)? In Irish, Ball can mean 'part of' and we are on Achill Island
> here, so it is in the Gaeltacht. As far as I understand the (Calvy) ending
> is a family name in the area. The townland was named after landowners? The
> common (Calvy) part in both townlands suggests they are linked. I somehow
> think that "Bal of Dookinnely (Calvy)" should still remain as a separate
> townland, at least for now.
> http://askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/index.xml?
> action=doNameSearch&Submit.x=0&Submit.y=0&Submit=Submit&
> familyname=calvy&firstname=&baronyname=&countyname=MAYO&
> unionname=&parishname=
>
>

I'd be inclined to leave it as is.


>
> On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 7:04 PM, Brian Hollinshead <brian at hollinshead.net>
> wrote:
>
> > Re Exclave
> > try Kiltiernan in County Dublin in townlands.ie
> >
> > and Kinnitty as CP, both enclaves belong to eslewhere external CPs
> >
> > On 17 February 2017 at 16:03, Rory McCann <rory at technomancy.org> wrote:
> >
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> > > On 17/02/17 16:38, Brian Tuffy wrote:
> > > > Just to be clear, if it is "X and Y" you should treat it as "X and
> > > > Y", as it says on the wiki page. If it is "X or Y" then it should
> > > > be treated as "X" or "Y" in OSM but It looks like Logainm treats "X
> > > > or Y" as "X or Y" and so two townland names have one ref tag. The
> > > > thing is your script will look for "Lisnakirka or Milebush" but in
> > > > OSM it is name=Milebush and alt_name= Lis...
> > > > https://www.logainm.ie/35706.aspx
> > >
> > > OK, that sounds a little more complicated. I think I'll leave it alone
> > > then. We can always just find townlands with an "and" and without a
> > > logainm:ref and manually add them. Sometimes manually adding it is
> > > quicker than programming complicated rules.
> > >
> > > > It confusses me why it is Lower or Northern (North is up right!! :)
> > > > ) but I think it might be lower in elevation possibly? I doubt it.
> > > > Upper Bavaria is the south because it rises to the alps.  More
> > > > interestingly, up might be to the south? you go up towards Rome in
> > > > Irish?? More More interestingly, I hear that Irish is one of those
> > > > languages that has an in-built sense of direction, you wouldn't say
> > > > move over to the left, you would say move east.... or something
> > > > like that. I am not sure about it. Anyway, back to the map.
> > >
> > > Usually "Upper" is upstream, and "lower" is downstream, near the mouth
> > > of the river. e.g. the Upper Rhine Plane is in south Germany, because
> > > that's near where the Rhine starts. So when you see "Upper X" that's
> > > usually more "upsteam" or something.
> > >
> > > > I agree with you that it should be mapped as an exclave. I have not
> > > > seen any like that so that's why I suggested to have two
> > > > townlands.
> > >
> > > I don't know if I've seen it with townlands. It's more common with
> > > Civil Parishes.
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