[OSM-talk-ie] OSM Ireland chapter - reboot
Donal Hunt
donal.hunt at gmail.com
Mon Sep 11 20:57:03 UTC 2017
I'm certainly interested in attending (based in Cork, Ireland) so need some
leadtime and ability to travel up for it. Either Saturday seems good right
now.
Thanks!
Donal
On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 8:22 PM, Dave Corley <davecorley at gmail.com> wrote:
> Much appreciated folks.
>
> Can you let me know when the formal approval is given. I'll set up a ticket
> booth to track numbers then.
>
> Thanks again,
> Dave
>
> On 11 Sep 2017 20:08, "Tadeusz Cantwell" <t4dc4n at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > As a member of Tog I can come in early on the 21st to open up and put my
> > name down to host the event.
> > Tad
> >
> > On 11 September 2017 at 13:39, Dave Corley <davecorley at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Jeffrey,
> > >
> > > A 4pm finish might not be a bad idea especially for those traveling.
> > Would
> > > it be possible to start earlier? Say 10 or 11? I'm just mindful that
> > there
> > > will be a lot of things to go through and I would like to leave time
> for
> > > discussions. On the other hand, I don't want to inconvenience you (or
> > > other Tog members) too much as you are doing us a favour.
> > >
> > > Dave
> > >
> > > On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 12:59 PM, Jeffrey Roe <tdr112 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > > There is an internal event on the 21st that starts at 4pm. So you
> > > > would need to finish up then or run it on the 14th.
> > > > An event takes 5 days for Tog to approve and you need a member to
> host
> > > > you. I could possible do the 21st but you would need someone else to
> > > > host if you wanted the 14th.
> > > > Jeffrey Roe,
> > > > www.tog.ie
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 11 September 2017 at 10:41, Dave Corley <davecorley at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > > > Hi all,
> > > > >
> > > > > Rounding back on this again. Between the responses on the mail
> list,
> > > > > Facebook and previous surveys, the general consensus is to go ahead
> > > with
> > > > > this.
> > > > >
> > > > > Martin, sorry for not replying to you earlier, but I wanted to stay
> > > quiet
> > > > > and see what others thought first. To your point, yes, its possible
> > to
> > > do
> > > > > everything I stated outside of a formal body, but given we are an
> > > > informal
> > > > > grouping of similarly minded folks for over a decade and
> > organisational
> > > > > interest/involvement is decreasing rather than increasing, I think
> > its
> > > > > necessary to do this if we are to ever become "more". Your comment
> > > about
> > > > > there being a functioning group is bang on the money too. Right
> now I
> > > > feel
> > > > > there is such a thing, and the infrastructure is more or less in
> > place
> > > (
> > > > we
> > > > > are starting in a much better position than our UK counterparts).
> > > > >
> > > > > That being said, after the original survey questions a year ago,
> the
> > > mail
> > > > > list and facebook responses and some private feedback, I think, as
> > > usual,
> > > > > the distance factor is the biggest hurdle. With that in mind I
> think
> > > its
> > > > > best to change from a series of meetings on the subject, to a
> single
> > > one,
> > > > > where several of us come together and blitz the main items:
> > > > >
> > > > > - Constitution
> > > > > - Memorandum of association
> > > > > - Articles of association
> > > > > - Interim board
> > > > > - etc etc
> > > > >
> > > > > What I looking to achieve is to get to a point where we are 90% of
> > the
> > > > way
> > > > > there. Afterwards, everything achieved would be put up online for
> > > > feedback,
> > > > > comment and to close out any remaining items.
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm hoping a single session of 5-6 hours should be good enough for
> > > this,
> > > > > say from 12-5/6 on a Saturday. I'm hoping that by limiting this to
> a
> > > > single
> > > > > day, to get a much larger group to participate.
> > > > >
> > > > > In order to keep things moving through the day, I'm going to try
> > > organise
> > > > > some sponsorship of refreshments.
> > > > >
> > > > > Would the Tog folks on this list know if Tog is available on a
> > Saturday
> > > > in
> > > > > Oct? Say the 14th or 21st. If not, I'll try sort something else.
> > > > >
> > > > > Once a date and location is set, I'll set up an invite page, just
> to
> > be
> > > > > able to track numbers attending in the event I get sponsorship for
> > > > > refreshments.
> > > > >
> > > > > Dave
> > > > >
> > > > > On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 8:57 AM, Rory McCann <rory at technomancy.org
> >
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >> I agree with Dave, it would be good to get a formal OSM body set
> up.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Yes, for doing more mapping events, you don't need a formal body,
> > but
> > > > >> you do it you want to be an OSMF local chapter, and I suspect it
> > would
> > > > >> be easier to talk to government bodies (or big orgs) if you're
> from
> > an
> > > > >> official body.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> And who knows, setting it up might be kick up the arse for some of
> > us!
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Since I'm in Germany, I can't come to any of the events. 😞😞😞
> But
> > > I'll
> > > > >> help how I can... I was involved with setting up TOG, which was
> > > > >> originally an unincorporated association (don't do that!) and is
> > now a
> > > > >> DAC (designed activity company(?))
> > > > >>
> > > > >> On 14/08/17 03:52, Dave Corley wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >>> Hi,
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> First, I want to apologise, this is a long email, but if you are
> at
> > > all
> > > > >>> interested in moving OSM in Ireland to the next level, please
> read
> > on
> > > > and
> > > > >>> give your feedback when you're done.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Efforts to get the OSM Ireland group set up as a legal entity and
> > > > >>> established as a recognised chapter have never really got out of
> > the
> > > > >>> starting blocks for us, mainly because it's an exceptionally
> long,
> > > > boring
> > > > >>> process to get it all done.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Back when Rory gave the Townlands presentation at a Sotm or two
> > ago,
> > > I
> > > > >>> contacted everyone who took part and asked a number of questions
> to
> > > > allow
> > > > >>> for some stats to be included in the presentation. I asked a few
> > > > questions
> > > > >>> specifically around the topic of setting something up properly.
> If
> > I
> > > > >>> recall
> > > > >>> correctly, all but one were interested in joining an official OSM
> > > > Ireland,
> > > > >>> but less than half wanted to be involved in setting it up. But
> that
> > > > ratio
> > > > >>> is to be expected. If I'm honest, it was a lot higher than I
> > > originally
> > > > >>> expected.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> What I would love to see is a functioning OSM Ireland body which,
> > at
> > > an
> > > > >>> absolute minimum, could do the following
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> - Scheduling regular meet up's - These would have some
> > > organisation
> > > > >>> around them e.g. guest speakers, break out groups, objectives
> > > etc.
> > > > >>> This
> > > > >>> could be monthly, bi-monthly or quarterly, doesn't matter,
> just
> > > > even
> > > > >>> setting up a schedule and sticking to it would be a great
> > > > achievement
> > > > >>> - Work on increasing the qty of daily contributors - Some
> > simple
> > > > >>> things
> > > > >>> like automating messages to first time mappers, or a tool to
> > > ensure
> > > > >>> every
> > > > >>> new contributor's edits are reviewed for accuracy/vandalism
> > etc.
> > > > >>> Basically,
> > > > >>> just setting up some structure around it to ensure we engage
> > with
> > > > new
> > > > >>> folks
> > > > >>> in the most efficient and effective ways possible. I see no
> > > reason
> > > > >>> why a
> > > > >>> number of 50 a day shouldn't be achievable within an 18 month
> > > > period
> > > > >>> if
> > > > >>> this is done right.
> > > > >>> - Setting up an Import strategy - There is an ever growing
> pool
> > > of
> > > > >>> open
> > > > >>> data being released. To make full use of it is going to
> > require a
> > > > >>> signficant body of up-front work (selecting, categorising,
> > > > >>> prioritising,
> > > > >>> tools and import process).
> > > > >>> - Lining up other, structured, mapping tasks - For example
> > doing
> > > a
> > > > 1
> > > > >>> month blitz on lane mapping, or a 3 month clean-up of errors
> > > using
> > > > >>> Osmi or
> > > > >>> keepright etc etc etc. We did this with the enormous townland
> > > > mapping
> > > > >>> project. Smaller scale versions, with a little work, could
> > have a
> > > > >>> real,
> > > > >>> lasting impact on the map
> > > > >>> - Commiting to organising a State of the Map yearly. This
> > doesn't
> > > > need
> > > > >>> to have a load of bells and whistles, hell, year one would
> > likely
> > > > be
> > > > >>> one
> > > > >>> day, but it has to be possible to get a 2 day conference
> going
> > > > within
> > > > >>> 2
> > > > >>> years, whatever format it may take (barcamp, unconference
> etc).
> > > > >>> There's
> > > > >>> enough going on now between mappers, govt, commercial and
> > > academic
> > > > >>> folks
> > > > >>> that is easily within reach.
> > > > >>> - Lastly, getting out of Dublin. I know Dublin has the
> biggest
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> population of mappers, but what about having the meetup in a
> > > > location
> > > > >>> outside of Dub once or twice a year. Or there could be a
> night
> > > away
> > > > >>> where
> > > > >>> we do a load of ground work on the basemap first, then hit
> the
> > > > ground
> > > > >>> in a
> > > > >>> town and get every street name, address, business and
> > attraction
> > > > all
> > > > >>> in one
> > > > >>> day, then meet back somewhere, have a bite to eat and a few
> > > drinks.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> In my head, I'm seeing each of those things needing 2-3 people to
> > > work
> > > > on
> > > > >>> them, i.e. working groups, to ensure nobody gets left holding the
> > bag
> > > > and
> > > > >>> to avoid burnout.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Now, I'd like to say, all of the above is purely what *I* think
> OSM
> > > > >>> Ireland
> > > > >>> should be about. Others may feel differently, and that's totally
> > > fine.
> > > > >>> It's
> > > > >>> kind of the point of this email :)
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> With all of that in mind, to get us formally set up, what I am
> > > > proposing
> > > > >>> is
> > > > >>> the following
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> 1. A meeting in early Sept (the 2nd or the 9th) where we will
> come
> > > > >>> together to hammer out a lot of the basics of setting up OSM
> > Ireland.
> > > > >>> Note,
> > > > >>> this will involve people coming together, agreeing on the
> structure
> > > > and,
> > > > >>> most importantly, some people agreeing to take some work e.g.
> > > research
> > > > >>> whats involved in setting up a bank account, what are the legal
> > > > >>> requirements, how will we manage membership, etc etc
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> 2. A second meeting in early Oct where the majority of the
> > structure
> > > is
> > > > >>> locked down. Work to start on Articles of Association etc if
> > required
> > > > at
> > > > >>> this point. Again, some people would need to agree to take on
> some
> > > > tasks
> > > > >>> to
> > > > >>> keep the process moving.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> 3. A third meeting in Nov and a fourth in Dec, to lock down any
> > last
> > > > >>> elements. At this point we would need to agree a provisional
> board
> > > > >>> probably, to allow for paperwork to proceed for banks, govt. etc.
> > > Note,
> > > > >>> this board would step down at the first general meeting of OSM
> > > Ireland
> > > > and
> > > > >>> elections would be held at that first meeting.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> 4. Jan, get all the paperwork sent to whoever
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> 5. TBD, once paperwork is approved by relevant bodies, agenda for
> > > first
> > > > >>> general meeting to be determined and election process to begin
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> There you go. With a bit of luck, before the next round of green
> > > > >>> milkshakes
> > > > >>> hits McDonalds, we would be a formal entity and we could start
> > > talking
> > > > >>> about moving to the next stage, which would be completing the
> OSMF
> > > > chapter
> > > > >>> application, not to mention any other objectives we might have.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> So, who's in?
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Dave
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