[OSM-talk-ie] Debugging

[Tony Furnell]

Colm,

Thanks for the debugging tools.

I have a thought on one of those points -

>   * Footpaths (generally paved) mapped as paths (generally unpaved).


Personally I default to using the "path" tag rather than "footpath" and
only use the footpath tag where the way is signposted specifically as a
"footpath", or has a restriction such as "no bicycles". Otherwise I opt for
"path" by default because it is invariably unclear on the ground whether
the pathway is there for foot traffic alone, or for bikes and pedestrians,
etc. In fact, if there is nothing that says bicycles are not allowed on it
(aside from pavements and road crossings of course), then I'm pretty
certain cycles are allowed on it. Where possible I then add paved/unpaved
(or specific surface if known).

I hadn't been aware of "footpath" being for generally paved or "path" being
for generally unpaved. My only consideration has been that of the access
specifications, where the path tag tends to automatically allow both foot &
cycle unless specified otherwise, while footpath only allows foot access
(cycle remains "not specified"). Given the rarity of "no cycle" permissions
on the ground, it tends to be the case that bicycles can legally use the
path if they wish.


--
Tony Furnell



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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2021 08:57:37 +0000
From: Colm Moore <colmmoore72 at hotmail.com>
To: "talk-ie at openstreetmap.org" <talk-ie at openstreetmap.org>
Subject: [OSM-talk-ie] Debugging
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Hi,

I see that there has been a huge amount of mapping going on recently,
especially things like the St. Patrick's Day mapping and in places like
Celbridge and Athlone. **Thank you!**

I use the following to find and correct bugs and improve standardisation
* OSM Inspector http://tools.geofabrik.de/osmi/ and
* the tag lists at http://stat.latlon.org/ie/latest/ and
* the "Issues" function in the iD Editor - this allows you to debug your
own mapping in realtime.

Some frequent bugs I have seen recently.
* Untagged features (no tags at all). These mostly aren't a huge problem,
but clutter the editor view and make other debugging tasks harder. If you
need to leave an untagged feature, adding fixme=* is useful.
* Dragged ways / nodes. Possibly unavoidable, they happen at random
moments, especially if a mouse goes bezerk, as they occasionally do.
* Duplicated nodes and crossing buildings. This seems to mostly be around
terraced buildings or buildings with very complicated shapes, especially
where there is a 'step' in the facade.
* Duplicated features, e.g. landuse and building or building and node.
* Buildings that had all the other tags, but not a building=* tag.
* Footpaths (generally paved) mapped as paths (generally unpaved).
* Nearly junctions.

Thank you

Colm


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> Hi,
>
> I see that there has been a huge amount of mapping going on recently,
> especially things like the St. Patrick's Day mapping and in places like
> Celbridge and Athlone. **Thank you!**
>
> I use the following to find and correct bugs and improve standardisation
> * OSM Inspector http://tools.geofabrik.de/osmi/ and
> * the tag lists at http://stat.latlon.org/ie/latest/ and
> * the "Issues" function in the iD Editor - this allows you to debug your
> own mapping in realtime.
>
> Some frequent bugs I have seen recently.
> * Untagged features (no tags at all). These mostly aren't a huge problem,
> but clutter the editor view and make other debugging tasks harder. If you
> need to leave an untagged feature, adding fixme=* is useful.
> * Dragged ways / nodes. Possibly unavoidable, they happen at random
> moments, especially if a mouse goes bezerk, as they occasionally do.
> * Duplicated nodes and crossing buildings. This seems to mostly be around
> terraced buildings or buildings with very complicated shapes, especially
> where there is a 'step' in the facade.
> * Duplicated features, e.g. landuse and building or building and node.
> * Buildings that had all the other tags, but not a building=* tag.
> * Footpaths (generally paved) mapped as paths (generally unpaved).
> * Nearly junctions.
>
> Thank you
>
> Colm
>
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> Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2021 08:57:48 +0000
> From: Colm Moore <colmmoore72 at hotmail.com>
> To: "talk-ie at openstreetmap.org" <talk-ie at openstreetmap.org>
> Subject: [OSM-talk-ie] Personal news
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> Hi,
>
> First off, apologies for my limited involvement in the community and in
> organised mapping at times lately, especially mapping buildings. I am of
> course, not apologising for my amount of mapping - that is for each
> individual.
>
> I can however announce that, as of last Friday, after 9 months of labour
> (yah, labour, not pregnancy) and a difficult delivery, I'm now the proud(?)
> Daddy of a kidney stone. :D
>
> Colm
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