[OSM-talk-ie] Time to talk about landuse=residential

[Tony Furnell]

Hi Ciarán,

I agree that some regular reviews to ensure that other landuses
(industrial, etc) are used rather than simply a mass of residential area
representing a wider "urban" use.

Regarding Clontarf, I don't have major issues with it - much is the way I
would expect to map a residential area, with the addition of some pockets
of "named" residential areas within it where appropriate - I'm assuming
that doubling up on residential tagging (a second residential area overlaid
on an existing larger residential area, without setting the former as an
"inner" border of the wider multipolygon) does not cause issues.

It also stops at clear points such as just before major roads or at the
boundary of the railway, both of which make sense to me as there's
certainly no point having an enormous whole-Dublin residential area, so
these smaller segments of the urban landscape ought to at least stop at
fairly clear delineations.

The only worry I see is its coincidence with the administrative boundary
along the northern border - fine enough if this administrative border
ultimately provides a clear representation of what's on the ground (e.g. it
may have been a border between pre-20th century estates, and the
wall/fence/general delineation remains from then), but there are suspect
areas that look like the administrative border may have been inadvertently
altered when an editor made changes to the area (see the joining point of
Clontarf East B ED and the north end of Vernon Avenue).

--
Tony Furnell


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> Thanks D?nal and Tony for your thoughts on this subject, and sorry for not
> replying initially.
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> Whether we go for an objective historical, developer/development led, or
> some kind of flux naming for areas is surely an issue that needs constant
> conversation of present and future osm community members and contributors.
> Where I think we are right now are more basic housekeeping issues. There
> are, however, questions of scale. I wonder if either of you think Clontarf
> (as it is mapped now) is an acceptable residential landuse?
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> To move back to the matters more mundane we need to be thinking about using
> the latest imagery to get new areas done, and we need to be tidying so that
> commercial and industrial areas are not glibly incorporated into the
> polygons which simply mean "there are humans here" and signify a town.
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> In the meantime I would ask everyone reading the list to be very careful
> about using admin boundaries, roads, and other linear ways as proxies for
> the treatment of a "residential edge" and like Tony has spotted please do
> not join their nodes to roads and rivers.
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