[Talk-in] Time for consensus

[PlaneMad]

I wonder if the day will ever come when the country will have a widespread
expressway network. so in addition to (1) i think we can also tag (2)
between tollbooths as motorways, as these are pretty high speed highways
anyway. i think almost all tolled roads are high speed roads (>80kmph),
right?

Anything else that is non-tolled and atleast 4lane divided can be trunk. (3)
and (5) fall under that

(4) is primary

(6) is secondary

everything else tertiary?

On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 5:06 PM, PlaneMad <thePlaneMad at gmail.com> wrote:

> Good idea. These are the kind of roads we have:
>
> 1) Proper expressways. Mumbai-Pune, Ahmedabad-Vadodara and a few bypasses
> bult by nhai
>
> 2)Upgraded national highways. at least 4lane divided with shoulders. gq,
> nsew etc. most of them fall in the nhdp project
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NHDP
>
> 3)Upgraded nh's, 2lane with shoulders. like the nh4 between chitoor and
> kolar, nh67 mangalore-hassan
>
> 4)other nh's. single lane
>
> 5)upgraded sh. 4lane divided, like the banglore-mysore highway
>
> 6)other sh 2/1 lane
>
> 7) district roads
>
> 8) others/rural roads between villages
>
> We need to devise one tagging system within metropolitan areas and one
> outside metropolitan areas.
>
> That isnt an NHAI map btw, its mine ;)
> On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 4:46 PM, Shajeer Mohammed <shajeer at hotmail.com>wrote:
>
>>  Can we can baseline the tagging based on color codes given on the NHAI
>> map-
>> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f7/India_simplified_roadway_map.svg (big
>> file)
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards
>> Shajeer
>>
>>
>>
>>  *From:* PlaneMad <thePlaneMad at gmail.com>
>> *Sent:* Thursday, 16 October 2008 13:24
>> *To:* talk-in at openstreetmap.org
>> *Subject:* Re: [Talk-in] Time for consensus
>>
>>  Even 10,000 active mappers wont be enough to update the status of roads
>> frequently. how many mappers would you expect who travel by road on 60000kms
>> of national highways daily? While this can be done on heavily used nh's like
>> the golden quad etc but its an impractical approach to follow for all the
>> roads. I agree thats its really useful for motorists to know the condition
>> of the road, but it would require a huge and highly unsustainable effort.
>>
>> This is the kind of info that i would like to see as an overlay to the
>> map, like how you have live traffic status in google maps. That said, i'm
>> not telling you not to continue your work with nh67, but it would be
>> impossible to replicate this approach on our huge network of highways whose
>> length total more than 200,000kms (nh+sh).
>>
>> I'm planning to give a session on osm at barcamp chennai this saturday<http://www.barcampchennai.org/index.php?title=Main_Page>,
>> so it would be great if we can agree on something by then.
>>
>> cheers
>>
>> -arun
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 12:12 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon at au-kbc.org>wrote:
>>
>>> On Thursday 16 October 2008 11:51:58 am Shajeer Mohammed wrote:
>>> > It is great to have a dedicated person like you who can map and make
>>> > changes to roads as their condition changes. But for most people
>>> including
>>> > me, I rarely go back and vist the same road once its mapped.
>>>
>>> not dedication - I travel these roads every day. So can update the
>>> condition
>>> daily. Which is the case with all of us - we maintain our areas.
>>> Currently
>>> there are about 10-12 active people in India, but soon there will be
>>> thousands - in that case daily updates of road conditions is possible.
>>> That
>>> is why we are better than google
>>>
>>> > So if we cant
>>> > come up with once standard lets then come up with 2!. Even though there
>>> are
>>> > no standards on construction quality, number of lanes etc..., there is
>>> a
>>> > standard on the ownership of the roads. NHAI owns all National Highways
>>> and
>>> > Bypasses. State government PWD owns all state highways and local roads
>>> are
>>> > owned by local civic bodies.
>>> > So looks like the disagreement is on tagging national highways and
>>> state
>>> > highways. I guess we all agree on express ways?
>>>
>>> We all agree on expressways - no problem
>>>
>>> 1. Trunk - connecting major cities. So we have to agree on major cities:
>>>
>>> metros - Mum, Chen, Del and Kol (maybe also bengaluru and hyderabad)
>>>
>>> 2. Primary - connecting 2 tier cities to each other and to major cities
>>>
>>> 2 tier cities: coimbatore, pune, madurai, mangalore, ahmedabad ...
>>>
>>> 3. Secondary - connecting district headquarters to state capitals or
>>> other
>>> district headquarters
>>>
>>> 4. Everything else tertiary or less
>>>
>>> This is regardless of who owns the road
>>>
>>> Within cities - just map using common sense - basically, size of the road
>>> and
>>> amount of usage.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> regards
>>> Kenneth Gonsalves
>>> Associate
>>> NRC-FOSS
>>> http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/
>>>
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