[Talk-in] Use of official names for cities

Arun Ganesh arun.planemad at gmail.com
Tue Feb 7 07:38:33 GMT 2012


On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 2:13 AM, Ishan Chattopadhyaya <
ichattopadhyaya at gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks for the background, Kiran. After reading your note and also looking
> around the web for other discussions like these, I am even more convinced
> than ever before that OSM should go with the central government approved
> names. These name changes look perfectly legitimate to me on the map:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renaming_of_cities_in_India. To ask me, I
> would think having an official name change requires both state and central
> govt. approval, and in the absence of both these approvals, the name change
> cannot be official. Hence, OSM must not use these names.
>
> I suggest OSM stick to the centrally approved names instead of regional
> variants. It will present a consistent view to everyone looking at the map
> and eliminate confusion or surprises.
>
> I feel the best list to cross check these can be the list of members of
> parliament (Lok Sabha) and the Lok Sabha constituencies:
> http://164.100.47.132/LssNew/Members/statedetail.aspx?state_code=Karnataka(this is coming from a
> gov.in website, dunno what's the deal with the IP address).
>
> Are there any instances of such issues in any other country as well?
> Regards,
> Ishan
>
> On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 1:41 AM, Kiran Jonnalagadda <jace at pobox.com> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 7:36 PM, Arun Ganesh <arun.planemad at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> I always look to wikipedia for reference as there are always more people
>>> debating these things over there and reaching a consensus. Correct me if im
>>> wrong, but i do think Shivamoga, Hubbali etc are the official names now.
>>> Just like Bengaluru and Mysuru.
>>>
>>
>> "Official" depends on which official you mean. Bangalore is Bengaluru
>> according to the Government of Karnataka, but still Bangalore according to
>> the Government of India.
>>
>> The central government has refused to confirm *any* of the new names in
>> Karnataka because Karnataka tried renaming Belgaum to Belagavi, but the
>> district government has been lobbying to move into Maharashtra.
>>
>> Karnataka tried renaming several cities in a single order. The central
>> government will not accept it unless Belgaum is removed from the list.
>> Karnataka will not do this because it amounts to admitting a problem in
>> Belgaum. This stand-off has existed for years. State-funded projects like
>> the airport refer to "Bengaluru". Centre-funded institutions like the
>> railways still say "Bangalore".
>>
>> The media has lost interest in this, so there are few references on the
>> current status. I posted one to this list a couple years ago.
>>
>> One simple way to verify current status is by looking at what the major
>> newspapers say in the list of cities they publish from. The Times of India,
>> The Hindu, Deccan Herald and Mint all say "Bangalore". I remember seeing a
>> newspaper that said "Bengaluru", but can't recall which. Thought it was
>> Deccan Herald, but their website says "Bangalore".
>>
>> So the question is, which side is the OSM community on?
>>
>> Kiran
>>
> I dont know which side to take, the Indian Railways for instance continue
to use old names for many of the stations - Trivandrum, Quilon, Cannanore
even though the renaming has been approved by the centre (Thiruvanthapuram,
Kollam, Kannur). we do have the name, name:en, alt_name, old_name tags.
Maybe a uniform policy on what tags to use for what is what we need.

If Mysuru has been approved by the state and local institutes like colleges
and offices have started using it in their addresses, it must definitely be
there on some tag, we cant drop it altogether just because it has not been
approved by the centre. OSM is a people's map, and if the local people feel
that the name is common enough for it to be used locally, it must be
documented somewhere.


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