[Talk-in] Indian OSM server

Tue Jan 27 09:48:13 UTC 2015

Hello everyone,

Just to piggyback on what Sanjay posted and from my experience having setup
and managed few clones of OpenStreetMap infrastructure - are we clear on
why we are doing this?

I think we are mixing two different approaches here -
1. An OSM tile server specific to India data.
2. An OSM installation for editing India data.

These are entirely different and solves different problems. The amount of
work involved in setting up and managing is not trivial, so we want to be
very clear about this.

A tile server is fine and from what I recall, Johnson already setup one. We
need to make sure that the replication with the OSM master database is
setup correctly, with an optimum interval, to make sure we don't miss out
on updates.

Also, I recommend setting up this on a different server and not share
resources with other apps/projects.

Cheers,
Sajjad.

On Tue, Jan 27, 2015 at 2:36 PM, Sanjay Bhangar <sanjaybhangar at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hey all,
>
> Sorry to be the old goat, but can't continue to have my silence being
> inferred as agreement :/
>
> These are the same tired questions i have been asking since the
> beginning, but have not received a satisfactory answer, so shall ask
> them again.
>
> How are we going to keep data in sync between this instance / fork and
> main OSM?
>
> + I agree with Ishan that we should not host this and OHM on the same
> box. Another VM or so is okay, but should not be in the same
> environment, for sure. We need to figure out how best to do this. It
> maybe non-trivial to setup a VM on the running OHM box, so we may need
> another VM / dedicated box for this.
>
> Sorry to be the old goat here, but I still don't believe this is a
> great idea. What is the main purpose of this? From what I gather, the
> main purpose seems to be to host an instance of OSM that shows
> boundaries of India that comply with Indian law, so that OSM can be
> used by Indian services without being in contravention of the law. I
> find this to be an unfortunate political reality, but a good reason.
> Just, unfortunately, once we "fork" OSM data, it is going to be
> possibly non-trivial to continually merge in changes from OSM. And
> worse, if we plan to do writes to our instance, merging those back
> with the main OSM seems non-trivial as well. Unless we have thought
> these issues through and have very clear answers and solutions to
> this, I think it is highly dangerous to "fork" the OSM data without a
> clear plan on how we plan to handle merges.
>
> I'm unfortunately not an OSM hacker myself, so don't have clear
> answers, but from speaking to people who have more experience with the
> OSM stack, this seems like a non-trivial problem to solve. And unless
> we have a plan to solve this problem, I can't really get behind such a
> proposal / idea.
>
> Anyways, this email was mostly just so my silence doesn't get
> registered as agreement :) - hopefully someone who knows more than I
> do can respond with how we plan to manage this.
>
> Thank you,
> Sanjay
>
> On Tue, Jan 27, 2015 at 2:11 PM, Shekhar Krishnan <shekhar at topomancy.com>
> wrote:
> > The OHM server is very low traffic as it is a niche project. For that
> > matter, so is OSM India. If we need a dedicated box, I'll get one via
> > Topomancy or Homi Bhabha Centre for Science Education in Mumbai.
> >
> > The question of hosting should not delay us.
> >
> > w.r.t. Paul Norman's point, agreed that what we are doing here is
> different
> > in nature from OHM. My only point was that the stack installed on the
> server
> > is similar, not the nature of the services. My bad wording.
> >
> > If anyone else in the OSM community on this list or elsewhere disagrees,
> > speak now. Else the "silent nods in agreement" shall be taken as an okay
> to
> > go ahead with setup of openstreetmap.in.
> >
> > I spoke with both Satyakaam and Arun yesterday.
> >
> > Satya has agreed to manage the install and config and Arun will then
> guide
> > us on next steps. Johnson is too busy with other work right now and
> Satya is
> > ready and reliable to manage services.
> >
> > Thanks to H.S. Rai for kicking off this thread!
> >
> > Best,
> >
> >
> > Shekhar
> >
> >
> > On 01/27/15 14:02, Ishan Chattopadhyaya wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 2:30 PM, Arun Ganesh <arun.planemad at gmail.com
> >> <mailto:arun.planemad at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>     On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 1:45 PM, Shekhar Krishnan
> >>     <shekhar at topomancy.com <mailto:shekhar at topomancy.com>> wrote:
> >>
> >>         Johnson has access to the same server where OHM is hosted, known
> >>         as "hackercoop", which is a community server provided courtesy
> >>         of Topomancy (which is me, Schuyler Erle and Tim Waters).
> >>
> >>         Since most if not all of the required stack is already installed
> >>         and configured for http://openhistoricalmap.org it shouldn't be
> >>         too hard to setup http://openstreetmap.in there. Johnson will
> >>         need guidance from Sanjay or Sajjad.
> >>
> >>         If we have consensus on this can we start setup?
> >>
> >>     Lets consider the lack of opposition as silent nods in agreement.
> >>     I'm ready to take care of the mapnik xml.
> >>
> >>
> >> +1 to Arun on "silent nods in agreement" :-) My suggestion would be to
> >> use a different server than OHM, if possible, so that one service
> >> doesn't disrupt the other under any circumstances. Also, so that it is
> >> possible to setup a new server (.in) from scratch later, for purposes of
> >> failover) without too much manual intervention later.
> >>
> >> If such a server is not available, we can discuss raising funds for the
> >> maintenance of a server. However, even a VM on the OHM server might help
> >> us get through in the beginning?
> >>
> >>         Satyakaam, you can ping and point the nameservers at the
> >>         hackercoop box (on which you should also have an account, send
> >>         keys to Sanjay if not).
> >>
> >>         Best,
> >>
> >>
> >>         S.K.
> >>
> >>         On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 1:33 PM, Arun Ganesh
> >>         <arun.planemad at gmail.com <mailto:arun.planemad at gmail.com>>
> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>             On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 12:26 PM, satyaakam goswami
> >>             <satyaakam at gmail.com <mailto:satyaakam at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >>
> >>                     Via Topomancy, Sanjay Bhangar and I have a server
> >>                     with ample speed and space to host openstreetmap.in
> >>                     <http://openstreetmap.in> and related projects for
> >>                     at least one year. We are providing the same service
> >>                     to OpenHistoricalMap.
> >>
> >>
> >>                 lets talk about it , OpenHistoricalMap is something
> >>                 interesting would like to learn more about it .
> >>
> >>
> >>             OHM info and mailing list:
> >>             http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Open_Historical_Map
> >>
> >>             Meanwhile, lets start on OSM India. Johnson has already
> >>             taken the first steps, looking forward to hearing from him.
> >>
> >>
> >>                 -Satya
> >>                 Satyaakam.net <http://satyaakam.net/>| fossevents.in
> >>                 <http://fossevents.in/> |
> >>
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