[Talk-ko] Talk-ko Digest, Vol 48, Issue 2

Thu Feb 16 16:46:56 UTC 2017

Here's a full list of changesets that used this imagery based on the
imagery_used changeset tag.
http://osmcha.mapbox.com/?is_suspect=False&is_whitelisted=True&harmful=False&checked=All&imagery_used__icontains=xdworld

Almost 2K changesets and continues to grow. Would love to help if the
community would like to take action on this.

On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 7:45 AM,  <talk-ko-request at openstreetmap.org> wrote:
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>    1. Questionable imagery (Robert Helvie)
>    2. Re: Questionable imagery (Yongmin H.)
>    3. Re: Questionable imagery (Changwoo Ryu)
>    4. Re: Questionable imagery (Robert Helvie)
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> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Robert Helvie <alimamo at gmail.com>
> To: "Talk-ko at openstreetmap.org" <Talk-ko at openstreetmap.org>
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> Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2017 00:37:16 +0900
> Subject: [Talk-ko] Questionable imagery
> Hello,
>
> Does anyone know this user? https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/%ED%99%A9%EC%9E%AC%EC%8A%B9
>
> It appears that he is new and has added a lot of items recently. I am happy to have more local mappers, but I have a big concern.
>
> From his changesets you can see that he is using custom imagery for mapping with the iD editor. The concern I have is that it LOOKS LIKE he is pulling the imagery from this site: http://map.vworld.kr/map/wcmaps.do# (pretty ingenious, actually). The imagery is much better than Mapbox or Bing, but it may not legally be usable with OSM.
>
> Of course my Korean is not good enough to find the supplier for the imagery on that website, but I expect the license may not actually be compatible for use with OSM. If he is using that imagery to trace items or locate business, then he risks adding data to the OSM database that is not compatible and could put OSM in jeopardy.
>
> I have just written to him through OSM asking about the imagery and how he uses it, but of course my message was in English.
>
> If a Korean speaker could have a look at the website and find out more about the imagery and whether or not it is OK to use it with OSM (legally), that would help. And/or have a chat with the user, that might also be good.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Robert
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: "Yongmin H." <lists at revi.pe.kr>
> To: OpenStreetMap Korea <talk-ko at openstreetmap.org>
> Cc:
> Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2017 01:00:38 +0900
> Subject: Re: [Talk-ko] Questionable imagery
> Hello,
>
> Website's 'Legal Notice'[1] says '지도는 측량 수로조사 및 지적에 관한 법률 제14조, 제15조 및 제16조에 의거 국토교통부 장관의 허가 없이는 복제, 국외 반출 및 본 지도를 이용한 다른 지도의 간행을 금하고 있습니다.', which translates to 'The map (in this webpage) is prohibited from copying, redistribution, and/or taking out the map outside the country without explicit consent of the Minister of Land, Infrastructure, and Transport according to the [act]'.
> I do not think he is legally allowed to distribute the maps from that site.
>
>
> [1] : http://map.vworld.kr/map/po_wcmapuse_a005.do (Written in Korean)
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> 2017. 2. 8. 00:37 Robert Helvie <alimamo at gmail.com> 작성:
>
> Hello,
>
> Does anyone know this user? https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/%ED%99%A9%EC%9E%AC%EC%8A%B9
>
> It appears that he is new and has added a lot of items recently. I am happy to have more local mappers, but I have a big concern.
>
> From his changesets you can see that he is using custom imagery for mapping with the iD editor. The concern I have is that it LOOKS LIKE he is pulling the imagery from this site: http://map.vworld.kr/map/wcmaps.do# (pretty ingenious, actually). The imagery is much better than Mapbox or Bing, but it may not legally be usable with OSM.
>
> Of course my Korean is not good enough to find the supplier for the imagery on that website, but I expect the license may not actually be compatible for use with OSM. If he is using that imagery to trace items or locate business, then he risks adding data to the OSM database that is not compatible and could put OSM in jeopardy.
>
> I have just written to him through OSM asking about the imagery and how he uses it, but of course my message was in English.
>
> If a Korean speaker could have a look at the website and find out more about the imagery and whether or not it is OK to use it with OSM (legally), that would help. And/or have a chat with the user, that might also be good.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Robert
>
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> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Changwoo Ryu <cwryu at debian.org>
> To: OpenStreetMap Korea <talk-ko at openstreetmap.org>
> Cc:
> Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2017 01:11:37 +0900
> Subject: Re: [Talk-ko] Questionable imagery
> Hello,
>
> The vworld site is running by the government 국토교통부. And you may know,
> "export" of government-driven map is a crime in Korea. Any data from
> this site should be avoided in OSM.
>
>
> 2017-02-08 0:37 GMT+09:00 Robert Helvie <alimamo at gmail.com>:
>> Hello,
>>
>> Does anyone know this user?
>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/%ED%99%A9%EC%9E%AC%EC%8A%B9
>>
>> It appears that he is new and has added a lot of items recently. I am happy
>> to have more local mappers, but I have a big concern.
>>
>> From his changesets you can see that he is using custom imagery for mapping
>> with the iD editor. The concern I have is that it LOOKS LIKE he is pulling
>> the imagery from this site: http://map.vworld.kr/map/wcmaps.do# (pretty
>> ingenious, actually). The imagery is much better than Mapbox or Bing, but it
>> may not legally be usable with OSM.
>>
>> Of course my Korean is not good enough to find the supplier for the imagery
>> on that website, but I expect the license may not actually be compatible for
>> use with OSM. If he is using that imagery to trace items or locate business,
>> then he risks adding data to the OSM database that is not compatible and
>> could put OSM in jeopardy.
>>
>> I have just written to him through OSM asking about the imagery and how he
>> uses it, but of course my message was in English.
>>
>> If a Korean speaker could have a look at the website and find out more about
>> the imagery and whether or not it is OK to use it with OSM (legally), that
>> would help. And/or have a chat with the user, that might also be good.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Robert
>>
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> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Robert Helvie <alimamo at gmail.com>
> To: OpenStreetMap Korea <talk-ko at openstreetmap.org>
> Cc:
> Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2017 11:14:37 +0900
> Subject: Re: [Talk-ko] Questionable imagery
> OK,
>
> Yeah, I figured it likely wasn't a viable source.
>
> I got a message back from him and he said he is only using it for reference, which is, I guess, OK as long as he doesn't actually use it to locate business or other things or try to make OSM look similar..
>
> I suggested he should probably not use it as a custom imagery source since that information goes into the changeset.
>
> But perhaps a Korean speaker could have a friendly chat with him to remind him, that might be helpful.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Robert
>
> P.S. I forgot to mention the talk-ko list to him so you might want to do that, too.
>
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> On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 1:11 AM, Changwoo Ryu <cwryu at debian.org> wrote:
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> The vworld site is running by the government 국토교통부. And you may know,
>> "export" of government-driven map is a crime in Korea. Any data from
>> this site should be avoided in OSM.
>>
>>
>> 2017-02-08 0:37 GMT+09:00 Robert Helvie <alimamo at gmail.com>:
>> > Hello,
>> >
>> > Does anyone know this user?
>> > https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/%ED%99%A9%EC%9E%AC%EC%8A%B9
>> >
>> > It appears that he is new and has added a lot of items recently. I am happy
>> > to have more local mappers, but I have a big concern.
>> >
>> > From his changesets you can see that he is using custom imagery for mapping
>> > with the iD editor. The concern I have is that it LOOKS LIKE he is pulling
>> > the imagery from this site: http://map.vworld.kr/map/wcmaps.do# (pretty
>> > ingenious, actually). The imagery is much better than Mapbox or Bing, but it
>> > may not legally be usable with OSM.
>> >
>> > Of course my Korean is not good enough to find the supplier for the imagery
>> > on that website, but I expect the license may not actually be compatible for
>> > use with OSM. If he is using that imagery to trace items or locate business,
>> > then he risks adding data to the OSM database that is not compatible and
>> > could put OSM in jeopardy.
>> >
>> > I have just written to him through OSM asking about the imagery and how he
>> > uses it, but of course my message was in English.
>> >
>> > If a Korean speaker could have a look at the website and find out more about
>> > the imagery and whether or not it is OK to use it with OSM (legally), that
>> > would help. And/or have a chat with the user, that might also be good.
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> >
>> > Robert
>> >
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