[Talk-ko] NTIC source

Fri Jul 6 15:19:52 UTC 2018

That is really useful information. I think an OSM wiki page is in order.
I created one that points to this thread. Please expand if you have more
information. Thanks all for your help clearing this up!
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Korea/NTIC_Import

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  Martijn van Exel
  m at rtijn.org

On Fri, Jul 6, 2018, at 02:47, Andrew Errington wrote:
> Hello Martijn,
> 
> This was probably uploaded by user 'cyana' in 2009. He (or she)
> announced it in the following message to my OSM message system (and
> may have announced it in other ways: talk-ko didn't exist then).> 
> --- Start of message
> 
> massive upload road data

>   cyana[1]
> 6 July 2009 at 07:47
> Dear mappers of South Korea!

> I would like to notice in advance to you that I will upload South
> Korea Standard road data(source: National Traffic Information Center)
> to the OSM server on Wednesday or Thursday (2009-07-08/09).> I spent a month modifying NTIC road data for OSM...

> --- message shortened for brevity

> At the time, Korea was pretty sparse in terms of road coverage and
> POIs. But there was a problem when the import was done. Roads were
> duplicated and overlaid, and, obviously, didn't join up with existing
> roads. Often, chunks of road from the new data were missing too, so it
> didn't all join up with itself.> 
> The NTIC data was not quite up-to-date either. For the last decade or
> so Korea has been building roads at an astonishing pace. New major
> roads have been constructed. Existing roads have been upgraded, and
> even minor roads have been realigned or generally improved. So the
> NTIC data was useful, but old, and still a lot of work was required to
> map Korea.> 
> It's quite possible that some roads tagged 'NTIC' have just been
> extended from that import, and the tag has been retained.> 
> Best wishes,
> 
> Andrew
> 
> 
> On Fri, Jul 6, 2018, 16:55 Maarten van den Hoven
> <mrvdhoven at gmail.com> wrote:>> Hi all,
>> 
>> On this page of the NTIC website there is a small legal section.
>> https://intl.its.go.kr/en/01_01>> 
>> National Transport System Efficiency ActArticle 89 (Encouragement of
>> Private Participation and Advancement into Overseas Markets)>> ④ The Minister of Land, Infrastructure and Transport may designate
>> and run an agency dedicated to support work under Article 89.3 above
>> according to the Presidential Decree *to support international
>> cooperation and overseas market entry of industry related to
>> intelligent transport systems.*>> **
>> I am not legal expert but to me this implies that it can be used by
>> international organisations. However, it doesn't say anything about
>> the procedure or how it can be used. I suggest contacting the NTIC
>> about this.>> But as Martijn said earlier, you have to be sure the source is
>> actually the National Transport Information Center. Therefore, first
>> contacting the users who used that source would be best.>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Fri, Jul 6, 2018 at 12:18 PM Martijn van Exel <m at rtijn.org> wrote:>>> __
>>> On Thu, Jul 5, 2018, at 20:39, Robert Helvie wrote:
>>>> Martijn ,
>>>> 
>>>> If you haven't found it yet, it is the National Transport
>>>> Information Center>>>> https://intl.its.go.kr/index_en
>>>> 
>>>> Apparently there is an API there for use. But being "national" I
>>>> suspect the law against transferring Korean geospatial data to
>>>> places outside Korean control is still the governing factor.>>>> You can use the API to look at the data, but I would expect they
>>>> would frown on the practice of tracing the data into the OSM
>>>> database.>>> 
>>> Are you positive this "National Transport Information Center" is the
>>> source referred to here?>>> Since there are already more than 40,000 ways (I didn't count nodes)
>>> with source=NTIC, I guess people have already done so at some scale.
>>> Is there any way to trace back who / what group did this and what
>>> permissions, if any, they sought?>>> The best I can do is list the top 5 users who most recently edited
>>> ways with source=NTIC:>>> 
>>> octel
>>> lorenzo23622
>>> _Jibril
>>> 류제건
>>> orangelemonjelly
>>> 
>>> Anyone know these folks?
>>> --
>>>   Martijn van Exel
>>>   m at rtijn.org
>>> 
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