[OpenStreetMap talk-lu] Document describing maxspeed outside agglomerations

Sat Nov 17 23:33:09 GMT 2012

Hi,

I made a new video about N11 on the way to my job. Youtube channel Pierrelux2904,

Pierre

Am 12.11.2012 um 22:16 schrieb Pierre Carier <pierre.carier at gmail.com>:

> Hi,
> 
> All the temporal modifications you mentionned have been or are still correct, there are a few temporal changes (for +- 3 years), due to the new construction of the N 11 around Junglinster, I will try to map them soon, help is welcome. The new tunnel and the street under the old N11 leading to the new roundabout nearby the firestation in Junglinster  have been finished!! but are not open for traffic yet of course.The Junglinster High School is in construction. 
> 
> All this temporal changes are unrelated to the changes on the parts of N11 I wrote in my last message. From Graulinster to Michelshof aren't any parts at maxspeed 110 anymore.
> 
> The part of N 11 between Michelshof and Lauterborn was also changed to maxspeed 90 km/h (+- beginning of June) and has been rechanged again a few weeks later (before July 15th) to 110 km/h, I don't know why.
> 
> I'm driving on the N11 almost daily, a lot of changes concerning maxspeeds have been made since 2004. The part under the bridge of Gonderange was at 90 km/h, now since a few years 70 km/h. Maxspeeds changed to 110 km/h in 2004 (parts mentionned in the document), and are changed again now. (Maxspeeds of A13 between Esch and Bascharage also changed in 2004 from 90 to 110 km/h.)
> 
> As I already wrote, the N31 (contournement de Pétange) was at maxspeed 70 from A13 (Biff) to the border of Belgium for +- 2 years. This is not correct anymore, from A13 to the roundabout with the N 5... leading to Athus (nearby the stadium) maxspeed has been changed to 90 km/h (as it was already for some years before, but I really ignore the reasons for all these changes).
> 
> best regards,
> Pierre
> 
> 
> 2012/11/11 Matthijs Melissen <info at matthijsmelissen.nl>
> Hi all,
> 
> I agree that the document can not replace videomapping, but I guess we
> might be able to use it anyway to find places that need to be
> re-surveyed.
> 
> Guillaume, the document is a 'text coordonne', so the date of change
> should not matter: it should always be the latest version. The
> reglement itself is from 7 August 2012, and it does not explicitly
> mention when it becomes valid, so it becomes valid upon publication in
> the memorial, which was 22 augustus 2012.
> 
> The following temporal modifications on the N11 have been published
> since 7 August:
> 
> From 21 September: between Graulinster and Micheshof: new bus stops,
> turn restrictions, changes in priority, partially no overtaking
> From 11 October: between Lauterborn and Echternach: maxspeed 70 km/h ,
> no overtaking.
> From 15 October: between Gonderange and Junglinster: no access.
> From 22 October: between Junglinster and Graulinster: maxspeed 50
> km/h, no overtaking and traffic controlled by traffic lights.
> 
> I suppose this has to do with the new road around Junglinster, and is
> unrelated to the differences Pierre found?
> 
> Legilux seems to be free of blame: they just publish whatever the
> minister signs, and it seems the minister did not sign anything. I
> guess it would be best to e-mail Ponts & Chaussees. Most logical
> department seems Division de la voirie de Luxembourg (DVL).
> 
> -- Matthijs
> 
> On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 6:27 PM, Pierre Carier <pierre.carier at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > just a few examples from N 11:
> >
> > N11 Altrier - Graulinster entre le P.K. 18600 et le P.K. 18190
> > N11 Graulinster - Altrier entre le P.K. 18685 et le P.K. 19270
> > N11 Wolper - Altrier entre le P.K. 23310 et le P.K. 22350
> > N11 Wolper - Michelshaff entre le P.K. 23800 et le P.K. 24500
> >
> > all these parts of N11 aren't at maxspeed 110 km/h any more, and this since
> > June/July 2012. Maxspeed is 90 km/h. The text published in the pdf needs to
> > be updated.
> >
> > Pierrelux
> >
> > 2012/11/9 Pierre Carier <pierre.carier at gmail.com>
> >>
> >> Hello,
> >>
> >> I read several pages of the document, maxspeeds are not correct on N11
> >> (110 km/h has been changed to 90 km/h since July) on most of the locations
> >> mentionned. Only 2 locations at 110 km/h still exist, but I think they will
> >> be changed soon ass the are in the area of the new road constructions around
> >> Junglinster.
> >>
> >> But this document is interesting for hgv routing. I compared the document
> >> to the signs I found in the area I live (A 13 Soleuvre, Belvaux,
> >> Differdange, Sanem, Pétange, Bascharage), and they are correct. So if
> >> someone wants to help to map the hgv:destination(s) (read the entire
> >> document beginning at page 45  up to +- 50)....
> >>
> >> best regard,
> >> Pierrelux
> >>
> >>
> >> 2012/10/21 Pierre Carier <pierre.carier at gmail.com>
> >>>
> >>> Hello,
> >>>
> >>> this memorial is interesting but not up to date:
> >>>
> >>> Example:
> >>>
> >>> N31 Contournement de Pétange was at maxspeed 70 km/h and has been changed
> >>> +- 2 weeks ago to maxspeed 90 km/h. Therefore I changed the maxspeeds on
> >>> this road.
> >>>
> >>> So my personal opinion is that only video mapping with regular updates
> >>> can give us the right informations.
> >>>
> >>> Best regards,
> >>> Pierrelux
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> 2012/10/21 Matthijs Melissen <info at matthijsmelissen.nl>
> >>>>
> >>>> Dear all,
> >>>>
> >>>> The following memorial describes speed limits on N and CR roads
> >>>> outside of agglomerations:
> >>>>
> >>>> http://www.legilux.public.lu/leg/textescoordonnes/codes/code_route/CIRCULATION_ROUTIERE.pdf
> >>>> (page 29 and further).
> >>>> All N and CR roads outside agglomerations that are not mentioned can
> >>>> be assumed to be 90 km/h.
> >>>>
> >>>> As the content of the Memorial is public domain, we could use this to
> >>>> set the maxspeed tags. However, the document refers to km numbers,
> >>>> which we don't have in OSM, so this might not be trivial. At least we
> >>>> could use it to see if there are any speed restrictions missing in
> >>>> OSM.
> >>>>
> >>>> By the way, maps displaying speed limits can be found here:
> >>>> http://maxspeed.openstreetmap.nl/
> >>>> http://www.itoworld.com/map/35#fullscreen
> >>>>
> >>>> -- Matthijs
> >>>>
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