[OSM-np] Classification of Roads in Nepal

[Prabhas Pokharel]

Sakar, I like that. Lets go with it a bit.

What about the difference Bibek and I were chatting about... roads which
are otherwise Type C, but two cars side by side could not fit on them. Lots
of roads in the Purano Baneshwor / Gaushala area, in Patan area, etc. Do
you think that is worth separating out?

Finally, on the type A side, is there a difference between the new
Koteshwor highway, and type A (I think ring road at one end of this and
Mahendra Highway on the other)? I could go either way on this, probably
merging them into the

On Monday, July 2, 2012, Sakar Pudasaini wrote:

> Yeah. Super west centric... think I've seen a total of 1 road sign in the
> last month. Also the idea of a cycle path, so designated by law is pretty
> much laughable. I have not tried it but I imagine I could take a damn horse
> anywhere I really pleased... ride it all the way to china down the highway
> :-)
>
> May I make a suggestion. How about we flip the script and first try to
> agree on the types of roads we think exist in Nepal, then decide what is
> the appropriate tagging for it. It maybe that two of our types go into the
> same tag, or it may be that a tag that exists is irrelevant for Nepal etc.
> Also I agree with Prabhas' assessment but I do think we should try to norm
> within at least the rest of the subcontinent, don't imagine their
> situations is that different from ours. And norms are nice when they can
> be established.
>
> Here is my attempt at a few, this is going to be Kathmandu-centric since I
> have not had a chance to explore outside the valley for a while:
>
> 1. Type A: Roads that connect major cities and designed to lead traffic
> out of, into or around a town. These streets are relative broad and though
> they maybe potholed occasionally, regular resources are committed to keep
> them in good shape. E.g. Arniko highway, ring road
>
> 2. Type B: Roads with in the city that deal with (or are capable of
> dealing with) significant volumes of traffic. These roads are designed for
> motor vehicles AND regular resources are committed to their upkeep. I'm
> thinking Ram Shah Path, the gausala road running from Chabil Chowk to
> Baneshwor Chowk, Pasupati Sadak (running from Kamalpokhari towards the
> airport)
>
> 3. Type C: Roads with in the city that are designed for Motor Vehicles BUT
> do not see regular upkeep. There are side streets that accommodate 2 way
> traffic and might have been pitched at some point but now are maybe half
> pitched at the best. These often tend to be connectors between two Type B
> roads.
>
> 4. Type D: Unpaved roads intended for cars.
>
> 5. Type E: unpaved or paved galli's that will not fit cars but motorcycles
> and cycles can go through them
>
> 6. Type F: roads in heavily populated areas that could fit cars but where
> street vendors and pedestrians hold sway e.g. Ason. This is the
> "living_street" I think.
>
> I struggled with B and C. They could very well be the same thing, but as
> someone who rides a motorbike around town they feel very different.
>
> -Sakar
>
> On Sun, Jul 1, 2012 at 7:50 AM, Prabhas Pokharel <
> prabhas.pokharel at gmail.com <javascript:_e({}, 'cvml',
> 'prabhas.pokharel at gmail.com');>> wrote:
>
>> Hmm, not sure that I have more clarity in my head of how to tag things
>> now. There are also highway=service and highway=path that we could pair
>> with motorcycle=yes.
>>
>> In general, I think the rules that are built are very western centric, as
>> you can see in the images in the path controversy (
>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Path_controversy). So the guidelines
>> we build for ourselves should be a result of creative interpretation of
>> norms in place in other places of the world rather than trying to find the
>> exact meaning based on pictures that one is very unlikely to see in Nepal.
>>
>> --p
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, June 30, 2012, bibekshrestha at gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> For living_street vs residential road, the first paragraph here
>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dresidential kind of
>> explains the difference. Atleast the image on the right side does not look
>> like a living_street.
>> --
>> Bibek Shrestha
>> bibekshrestha at gmail dot com
>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/bibstha
>> "You mustn't be afraid to dream a little bigger, darling.", Eames to
>> Arthur, Inception 2010
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Jun 30, 2012 at 4:55 PM, bibekshrestha at gmail.com <
>> bibekshrestha at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> The following references try to clarify the confusion, but only to some
>> extent.
>>
>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Tag:highway%3Dpedestrian#footway_vs_pedestrian
>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Path_controversy
>>
>> --
>> Bibek Shrestha
>> bibekshrestha at gmail dot com
>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/bibstha
>> "You mustn't be afraid to dream a little bigger, darling.", Eames to
>> Arthur, Inception 2010
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Jun 30, 2012 at 4:54 PM, bibekshrestha at gmail.com <
>> bibekshrestha at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> --
>> Bibek Shrestha
>> bibekshrestha at gmail dot com
>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/bibstha
>> "You mustn't be afraid to dream a little bigger, darling.", Eames to
>> Arthur, Inception 2010
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Jun 30, 2012 at 8:45 AM, Prabhas Pokharel <
>> prabhas.pokharel at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Bibek, thanks for making a first draft of this important document. One
>> minor suggestion: should we think of something that is very similar to
>> highway=pedestrian, but streets that are accessible to motorcycles? As we
>> know, there are a lot of places like this in Kathmandu, does dual tagging of
>> highway=pedestrian and motorcyle=yes make sense?
>>
>> I think we agree on motorcycle=yes on this but I'm not too sure whether
>> we use highway=footway or highway=pedestrian. (Which Sakar mentioned in his
>> reply).
>>
>> I would personally prefer highway=pedestrian for the following criteria.
>> a. if the road is as wide enough as a normal road but people use it only
>> for walking (usually city centers, squares, etc),
>>
>> highway=footpath
>> b. The narrow gallis and shortcuts which cannot have a car (sth bigger
>> than a maruti may be because maruti usually can squeeze in any kind of
>> road) move through it. Like the gallis in Bhaktapur or Kathmandu.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> The trickiest part when tagging that I come across is deciding between
>> highway=residential and highway=living_street Its usually very diffi
>>
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