[Talk-nz] Fwd: [nzopengis] Update waterways from new LINZ river names pilot

Mike Exner-Kittridge mgkittridge at gmail.com
Mon Dec 30 08:14:39 UTC 2019

Hi Andrew,

Thanks for your input.
And I completely agree with you on all of the processing steps you've
described...I should have asked you all before...I had to figure these
things out the hard way ;)
I'm doing these steps specifically as part of the processing step in JOSM
(since it's got all the tools to do them).

Though it is a "pilot", the dataset is quite complete at least for the
purpose of this project. I've checked over it quite a bit (and continue to
do so). And I do need to get a decent chunk of this work done in the coming
months for a project at Environment Canterbury (I'm a hydrologist there).

Do you by chance know how to create a wiki page on the open street map wiki
to describe and refine this import process?

Thanks again,

On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at 7:36 PM Andrew Douglas-Clifford <
adouglasclifford at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Mike
> I don't have much experience on the import side of things, but I think
> this sounds like a great idea and would be interested to hear about your
> approach in more detail.
> Given the nature of the data, I agree it makes sense that it's a more
> manual approach, especially as I've come across several previous messy
> imports in OSM. No doubt there will need to be extra validation checks -
> some I can think of off the top of my head might include:
>    - Setting correct directionality
>    - Re-tagging as stream or river
>    - Checking connections with surrounding (and already digitised)
>    waterways/features
>    - Some work might be needed to extend the river lines connectivity in
>    areas where topo uses polygons
> It's also worth noting that the LINZ waterways named dataset is a pilot
> one and is considered preliminary - perhaps it could be wise to wait for
> LINZ's final dataset before proceeding with a broader import?
> Thanks,
> Andrew DC
> On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at 5:27 PM Mike Exner-Kittridge <
> mgkittridge at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi all,
>> So I've been doing some thinking and testing.
>> I don't think it would be wise to simply to a bulk import of the LINZ
>> waterways. The LINZ dataset only has geospatial lines and some names, and
>> if we want to have a proper waterways network with all the proper network
>> integrity then a bulk import would simply create a useless mess that would
>> need to be cleaned up.
>> Instead, I would prefer more of an iterative approach (which seems more
>> OSM-like anyway).
>> It would use QGIS in conjunction with JOSM. QGIS to select several
>> waterways to be processed, dissolve them on the river name, then export as
>> geojson. Import the geojson into JOSM, merge them with the OSM data,
>> process the imported data, then upload the results to OSM. I've already
>> made a couple example imports:
>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/78990517#map=14/-41.9538/173.9114
>> Please let me know what people think about this procedure.
>> I've written out a more detailed procedure that I would like to add to a
>> new page under https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Catalogue ,
>> but I haven't figured out how to create a new page...only edit an existing
>> one.
>> Thanks,
>> Mike
>> On Wed, Dec 11, 2019 at 1:31 PM Mike Exner-Kittridge <
>> mgkittridge at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Thank you very much Elliot. I really appreciate the info.
>>> I've seen the agreements with LINZ, which makes these imports possible
>>> fortunately.
>>> And I'm definitely keen to discuss and collaborate with the OSM NZ
>>> community to ensure that utilising and updating OSM is done in a proper way.
>>> ECan does want to trial using the OSM waterways for some of our purposes
>>> and being able to feed improvements back to OSM.
>>> I did try https://chat.nzoss.nz/channel/opengis , but I seem to just
>>> get a loading screen unfortunately (on Chrome). But I would definitely love
>>> to talk with some knowledgeable OSM people about this.
>>> Thanks again,
>>> Mike
>>> On Wed, Dec 11, 2019 at 12:58 PM Eliot Blennerhassett <ewblen at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> Hi Mike,
>>>> I have CCed this to talk-nz
>>>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nz  (OSM hosted email
>>>> list
>>>> that might be considered more 'official', though neither it nor
>>>> nzopengis have had much activity lately!)
>>>> Depending on how you plan to go about adding the data, and how much data
>>>> there is, it may be considered an import (as opposed to ordinary
>>>> editing). Please read
>>>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Guidelines
>>>> Imports need to be discussed on the imports mailing list.
>>>> In any case your changesets will need the correct tags identifying where
>>>> the data came from e.g.
>>>> attribution= https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Contributors#LINZ
>>>> source_ref=https://data.linz.govt.nz/layer/103632-nz-river-name-lines-pilot/
>>>> <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Contributors#LINZsource_ref=https://data.linz.govt.nz/layer/103632-nz-river-name-lines-pilot/>
>>>> LINZ has already provided appropriate permission for data use by OSM
>>>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:LINZ_OSM-CC-4.0_waiver.pdf
>>>> It is hard to tell how much detail you need, perhaps a Q&A in real time
>>>> would be useful. At https://chat.nzoss.nz/channel/opengis  (sign up
>>>> required).  I encourage anyone else reading to use this channel too...
>>>> (I'm eliot.b on that site)
>>>> --
>>>> Eliot
>>>> On 11/12/19 7:33 am, Michael Kittridge wrote:
>>>> > Hi all,
>>>> >
>>>> > I don't know if this group is still active and if not can someone
>>>> please
>>>> > refer me to the new one.
>>>> > Nevertheless, I am interested in adding/updating a bunch of waterways
>>>> in
>>>> > Canterbury from the new LINZ river names
>>>> > pilot
>>>> https://data.linz.govt.nz/layer/103632-nz-river-name-lines-pilot/.
>>>> > Not all of them. Mostly just the named rivers that can be clearly
>>>> > verified by aerial photos that do not already exist in OSM. Could
>>>> anyone
>>>> > give me some advice on the proper way I should go abut doing this
>>>> please?
>>>> > By the way, I work for Environment Canterbury (Canterbury Regional
>>>> > Council) and I'm trying to see if utilising the OSM waterways is a
>>>> > viable option for us (which I hope it will be).
>>>> >
>>>> > Thanks,
>>>> > Mike
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