[Talk-nz] Place names

Mike Kittridge mgkittridge at gmail.com
Wed Nov 10 02:54:07 UTC 2021


The first point in https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:name literally
does say "sign posted". I think the wiki is quite clear about this.
We can choose to not follow the wiki (rule), we'll just need to be clear
for people contributing to OSM in NZ that we have a different rule we
follow.


On Wed, Nov 10, 2021 at 3:44 PM Eliot Blennerhassett <
eliot at blennerhassett.gen.nz> wrote:

>
> On 10/11/21 14:35, Mike Kittridge wrote:
> > well...now that I'm actually looking at the wiki page in more
> detail...it really does seem to emphasize that the "name" tag should be
> what's "on the ground".
> > I take back what I said before...reluctantly...because I would have
> preferred it be the official name according to the gazetteer, but there is
> an "official_name" tag that can be used for that purpose.
>
> Note that "on the ground" means "whatever name, designation, etc are used
> by the people on the ground at that location".
> It doesn't mean "what is written on a signpost"
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Disputes#On_the_Ground_Rule
>
>
> Having said that, nitpicking over the meanings of words in the guidelines
> won't resolve this.
> The NZ community can still decide that the names with macrons per the
> gazetteer are the ones to go in "name".
> I am still in favour of this.
>
> I read the OTG rule as being more about avoiding confusion, and editwars
> in disputed territories.
> It is not as if the name with a macron is going to create confusion in
> people using the map to find a place.
> "I'm looking for the turnoff to Ōkarito, but that sign says Okarito so I'd
> better keep driving"?
>
>
>
> As Andy Townsend said "a community decision is a far better option than us
> just choosing to enforce one option or another.
>
> I have little time for the no-macron side given that they have zero
> history of contributing *anything* to the
> NZ map apart from deleting macrons from names, and then citing "the rules"
> as a reason why it is justified.
>
> --
> Eliot
>
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