[Talk-nz] Place names

[Michael Stark]

I asked kiwiAs again if they would join the discussion, and this was the
reply:

"No, I won’t be taking part in the discussion on the mailing list, for two
reasons. First, participating in the mailing list discussion will reveal my
email address, increasing the likelihood that I’ll undergo future online
harassment (by fanatics pushing the macron agenda) - something that has
happened in the past, which forced me to change my OSM username. But
second, despite what people might thing, I really don’t care all that much
about this. I just care about following the rules. In this case, OSM’s
documented rule for the “name” tag, which clearly states that it should
follow the ‘on the ground’ rule. But should that rule change in the future
(and be clearly documented, like the current rule), then I’ll follow
whatever the new rule says."

On Wed, Nov 10, 2021 at 1:03 AM Michael Stark <michael60634 at gmail.com>
wrote:

> I wanted to mention that I did share the Talk-NZ link with kiwiAs so they
> can join the discussion here. I'm not sure if they will join, but I did
> share the link.
>
> On Tue, Nov 9, 2021 at 9:38 PM Michael Stark <michael60634 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I am aware of the difference of "de jure" and "de facto". However, in
>> this case, with most organisations using the de jure name, it is therefore
>> the de facto common name.
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 9, 2021 at 5:17 PM Andrew Douglas-Clifford <
>> adouglasclifford at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I agree, the name tag should reference the official place name
>>> wherever possible, this includes the use of macrons. That has been my
>>> consistent approach.
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>> Andrew
>>>
>>> On Wed, Nov 10, 2021, 12:13 Eliot Blennerhassett <
>>> eliot at blennerhassett.gen.nz> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 10/11/21 11:56, Michael Stark wrote:
>>>> > Should place names include macrons in the "name" tag? I'm trying to
>>>> get some sort of consensus as one user keeps edit warring with myself and
>>>> others. DWG is unwilling to step in do anything.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Certainly macrons are part of some official place names.
>>>>
>>>> E.g. Tāmaki https://gazetteer.linz.govt.nz/place/55840
>>>>
>>>> Are your names with macrons in the gazetteer?  If so, the "name" should
>>>> contain the macron.
>>>>
>>>> Care to share an example of the edit war?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Eliot
>>>> ewblen
>>>>
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