[talk-ph] Various

Ian Haylock haylocki at yahoo.co.uk
Mon Nov 24 14:04:10 GMT 2008 

Sorry,

-1 from me.

I think using country specific tags like "barangay" will cause problems with people who use the data.

As a hypothetical example, suppose someone wanted to list all the villages in the osm database. If all the different countries used a different name for village, such a simple task would become a pain in the A**.

Cheers, Ian

--- On Mon, 24/11/08, maning sambale <emmanuel.sambale at gmail.com> wrote:
From: maning sambale <emmanuel.sambale at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [talk-ph] Various
To: "Eugene Alvin Villar" <seav80 at gmail.com>
Cc: talk-ph at openstreetmap.org
Date: Monday, 24 November, 2008, 8:58 AM

+1 for me.  That would be fairly easy for me to change the
place=village to place=barangay.  But only for the ones I added.  If
others would allow me to do so for them, I'll do it.

What about the others? Any opinion on this?

cheers,
maning

On 11/24/08, Eugene Alvin Villar <seav80 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Ok then. I'm all for tagging barangay center nodes with
place=barangay. We
> can just ask the renderers to place a special code to render
place=barangay
> same as place=village.
>
> On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 4:29 PM, maning sambale
> <emmanuel.sambale at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I am sending a discussion we (me and IanHaylock) had before with Mike
>> Collinson (no talk-ph at that time) on tagging Barangays this in the
>> context of when we are planning to import the GNS data.
>>
>> For your comments
>> =======
>> Thanks for all the input.  Here is a modified version of the script
>> with PPL mapping to village not town.  As is, it also reads the entire
>> rp.txt file but only outputs DCG=ADM2 POIs.  The resulting file, also
>> attached is exactly the same as the one you sent me but has an
>> addition 'is_in:state=' tag.  I am very keen to get lots of
'is_in'
>> tags into the OSM database as it will make future searching much
>> easier.  For example, if there is a critical mass of entries for
>> Aurora Province spread across the province, it will be possible to
>> work out the approximate bounds of the province and limit searches
>> there.  That removes the need to have exact boundary data.
>>
>> Do upload it if you think it is ready.
>>
>> On the issue of PPL = village or barangay or locality, these are my
>> thoughts.
>>
>> I suggest we definitely do not use 'locality', that is really
meant
>> for place names that do not coincide with any (current) population
>> centre.
>>
>> place=village
>>
>> Plus:  Works worldwide. Minus: Not strictly valid in a Philippine
context.
>>
>> place=barangay
>>
>> We'd need to get the OSMarender and Mapnik guys to add a render
rule
>> for this.  We could also ask for it to be added as a Map Features
>> value, but that is not strictly necessary. I'd guess the easiest
>> request would be to say, "please render this exactly the same as
>> place=village"?
>>
>>
>> If I was explaining what Barangay means, does this sound right? :-
>>
>> place=barangay is specifically for Philippine use, though may be
>> applicable in other parts of the world like South America.  At an
>> administrative level, a Province (= a state) is divided into
>> muncipalities.  Each municipality is controlled by a local council and
>> has a mayor.  A municipality is split into barangays[1], headed by
>> Barangay captains.  In rural areas, these equate to villages. In urban
>> areas, these equate to suburbs often highly distinguishable on the
>> basis of social class.  A rural muncipality, e.g. Donsol[2], may
>> therefore have a town, Donsol, split into 3 or 4 barangays and then to
>> It is important to mark them on OSM maps because they are used
>> extensively in every day navigation, information, politics etc.  They
>> almost invariable equate to an obvious population centre (unlike
>> European wards).  Street signs often show which barangay they are in.
>> Jeepneys and buses often show a barangays as destinations.
>>
>> [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barangay
>> [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donsol
>> ==============
>>
>>
>> On 11/22/08, Eugene Alvin Villar <seav80 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Hi Zoren,
>> >
>> > On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 6:12 PM, <sorabsuperstar at web.de>
wrote:
>> >
>> >>
>> >> > There's no discussion yet regarding barangays. I
prefer leaving out
>> >> > the "Barangay" part of the name (unless
it's numeric like "Barangay
>> >> > 30").
>> >>
>> >> I was just about to send a second mail about that, as I
realized that
>> >> at
>> >> certain zoom levels you can hardly see the map anymore
because of all
>> the
>> >> Brgy. names, or hardly see certain Brgy names because of the
other Brgy
>> >> names ;).
>> >> I guess the Brgy concept is a special Pinoy one. This is why
the
>> renderes
>> >> are not designed for such a high density of area names
(especially with
>> >> regard to font sizes)  . To ease this problem I highly
endorse Seav's
>> >> suggestion to omit redundant words "Barangay",
"Brgy."(anyway for being
>> an
>> >> abbreviation), "Village",
"Subdivision"etc...; unless it is really part
>> of
>> >> the name as in "Barangay 30".
>> >> We should even make this a general national convention for
OSM
>> >>
>> >
>> > Regarding this, do not be too conscious of the rendering
problems. Try
>> not
>> > to "fix" the data just so it would render pretty. The
important thing is
>> to
>> > do the data right and just leave the renderers (Mapnik,
Osmarender,
>> > etc.)
>> to
>> > decide how to best present the data.
>> >
>> > Eugene / seav
>> >
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