[talk-ph] OSM Philippines legal entity (was OSM Philippines meet-up)

Ahmed Farooq ahmed at enthropia.com
Thu Feb 12 17:58:30 GMT 2009


Hello Guys,

Etienne - hopefully you remember from a while back - who knew our paths
would cross again :)

The need for a formal organization is simple - it helps coalesce support, it
is easier to direct energy and efforts, it can be useful for funding and
publicity purposes, and it makes many professional organizations feel more
comfortable provided that there is an official entity that it is dealing
business with. 

I don't think the core issue has anything to do with money (ala bank
accounts, etc). I think it really is about formalizing advocacy and outreach
RE OSM in the Philippines.

-A


-----Original Message-----
From: talk-ph-bounces at openstreetmap.org
[mailto:talk-ph-bounces at openstreetmap.org] On Behalf Of Mike Collinson
Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 9:17 AM
To: maning sambale; OSM
Cc: Etienne; Nick Black
Subject: Re: [talk-ph] OSM Philippines legal entity (was OSM Philippines
meet-up)

At 12:58 PM 10/02/2009, maning sambale wrote:
>On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 5:29 PM, Jim Morgan <jim at datalude.com> wrote:
>> Good to see everyone there as well, and put faces to email addresses!
>>
>> maning sambale wrote, On Monday, February 09, 2009 11:17 AM:
>>> On forming an organization:
>>> We had a previous mail discussion on "should we have a formal
>>> organization representing OSM Philippines" so this was a main
>>> discussion point in Grappas.  Basically two points were raised:
>>>
>>> 1. There is a need to create a "legal personality" for OSM Philippines
>>
>> One other alternate approach we discussed was to use the main London OSM
body as a representative. Its unclear exactly how this would work though.
Time zones would undoubtedly be tricky but it might be good as a stopgap.
>
>@ Mike Collinson - is this possible?  Or any updates on the local chapter
plans?
>To all - please have a look at Andre's email:
>http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-ph/2009-February/000446.html 


No update that I am aware of.  Certainly we as OSM Foundation will do our
best to accommodate a structure that keeps your costs to a minimum or
preferably zero.  The only checkpoint that I can think of for us is that
Etienne as Treasurer can see proper control if money is involved, for
example local membership dues.

To help, it is important to understand the need for a "legal personality"
and then do what it takes .  In the past, I've been a member of clubs around
the world that had a written constitution and an Annual General Meeting but
no official registration that I was aware of.  Is it a strict legal
necessity in the Philippines or something gives an air of formality when
dealing with such people as local government? Can you open a club bank
account without SEC registration? Do you actually need/want a bank account?

For Etienne and Nick, in the Philippines it is common practice to register
an organization/club with the Securities and Exchange Commission as a
non-profit.  If I am paraphrasing earlier list discussions correctly, this
involves a lot of paperwork and has  potentially prohibitive costs.

Mike




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