[talk-ph] Fwd: need help on mapping for ondoy/Kestana flood victims in Metro Manila

maning sambale emmanuel.sambale at gmail.com
Thu Oct 1 14:39:49 BST 2009 

On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 8:59 PM, Eugene Alvin Villar <seav80 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Let's take note that any solution does *not* need to have OSM data involved.
> We do not need to push the OSM agenda right now since this is an emergency
> situation.
Apologies, if I made such impression (probably I got too attached to
the flooding experience which gave me the urged to do something about
the situation), but I know OSM and what it can do.  If I know about
other webmapping possibilities I could have gone that route.

> What the OSM community can do right now is to continue improving the OSM map
> data in the most affected areas: Marikina, Pasig, Cainta, and to a lesser
> degree, eastern Quezon City, Antipolo, San Mateo, Taytay, and the coastal
> areas of Laguna de Bay.
Which some of us is doing, including myself:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/maning/edits

> OSM data can be just a base (GIS loadable) map to all the user-generated
> points.

Yes, I agree.  But please don't douse cold water to other ideas as well.

>
> On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 6:59 PM, maning sambale <emmanuel.sambale at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Just additional updates.  I have initiated contacts with other groups
>> on possible collaboration.
>>
>> It seems a lot of work has been done already by
>> http://sites.google.com/site/ondoymanila/home.  See our discussion
>> here:
>>
>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Humanitarian_OSM_Team/philippines_ondoy
>>
>> I don't know if there is room for us to get involve right now (my
>> extinct says there is).
>>
>> Red Cross Rizal has its own webmap:
>> http://www.mapcentral.ph/pnrc/rizalchapter/-
>> But they are requesting if we can provide info on road accessibility
>> (roads passable by small vehicles, truck only, speedboat, etc.)
>>
>> All my thoughts are in the wiki:
>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Humanitarian_OSM_Team/philippines_ondoy
>>
>> Before we implement something, we need to collectively decide what we
>> as a group can contribute.
>>
>> cheers,
>> maning
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 2:34 PM, maning sambale
>> <emmanuel.sambale at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> > I have updated the wikipage:
>> >
>> > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Humanitarian_OSM_Team/philippines_ondoy
>> >
>> > I tried to compile resources discussed in the mailinglist.  Please add
>> > more ideas on how we can help.
>> > At the moment I think we should start improving data on affected areas:
>> >
>> > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Humanitarian_OSM_Team/philippines_ondoy#Data_updates
>> >
>> > cheers,
>> > maning
>> >
>> > On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 10:39 AM, maning sambale
>> > <emmanuel.sambale at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> @ michael cole
>> >> Let's wait till mikel maron set-up something for us.  In the meantime,
>> >> please help compiling more data on which areas have been affected.
>> >>
>> >> On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 10:36 AM, Michael Cole <colemichae at gmail.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>> How much space you need on server?
>> >>>
>> >>> Regards Michael Cole.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> On Thursday 01 October 2009 9:33:56 am maning sambale wrote:
>> >>>> Hi,
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Just got back online.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 9:45 PM, Mikel Maron <mikel_maron at yahoo.com>
>> >>>> wrote:
>> >>>> > Are you on Skype/IM?
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > Skype: mikelmaron
>> >>>> > gtalk: mikel.maron
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > 1) We can probably get you a server somewhere .. is it ok if it's
>> >>>> > in the
>> >>>> > US? What sort of access do you need? Do you have a domain?
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Any server would be very useful.  We don't have a domain at the
>> >>>> moment.  Perhaps openstreetmap.org.ph can be used.
>> >>>> @ Andre and Ahmed, is this OK?  Please help get this going.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> > 2) Mashups .. are you all collecting sources of data?
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Yes, mashups would be helpful.  I just got a mapinfo file of the
>> >>>> extent of flooding from Darthmouth Flood Research.  I'll see what I
>> >>>> can do with this data.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> > I'd suggest starting a catalog on the wiki, a subpage to the
>> >>>> > Philippines
>> >>>> > project page, or subpage to the HOT page
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I'll start working on this one.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> > We'd then look to pull those data sources together somehow ..
>> >>>> > perhaps
>> >>>> > through just an OpenLayers instance, or through GeoCommons (andrew
>> >>>> > turner
>> >>>> > cc'd)
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > 3) For data collection applications, OpenStreetBugs could be stood
>> >>>> > up ..
>> >>>> > but is there widely available net access right now?
>> >>>>
>> >>>> This is one of the useful things I see we can do.  Set-up
>> >>>> openstreetbug interface for people to report what they need.  Food ,
>> >>>> electricity, water, garbage collection, etc.
>> >>>> After the rescue and retrieval operations, rebuilding would take a
>> >>>> long haul.  We nned to supply info to public utility operators what
>> >>>> areas need immediate action.  I can ask other people to provide
>> >>>> summary reports of the data gathered from "openstreetbug" to
>> >>>> respective utility companies.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> People with internet connection can help report these areas.  Most of
>> >>>> them are in the news but sadly no one is compiling all these info for
>> >>>> utilty companies to respond strategically.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> > Would an SMS based application be a better fit for the situation?
>> >>>> > We'd
>> >>>> > only need a PH mobile phone set up to FrontlineSMS over there, and
>> >>>> > we
>> >>>> > could set up Ushahidi anywhere
>> >>>>
>> >>>> This is also possible.  But don't how difficult to set-up.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> > ----- Original Message ----
>> >>>> > From: maning sambale <emmanuel.sambale at gmail.com>
>> >>>> > To: Mikel Maron <mikel_maron at yahoo.com>
>> >>>> > Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 11:59:04 PM
>> >>>> > Subject: Fwd: need help on mapping for ondoy/Kestana flood victims
>> >>>> > in
>> >>>> > Metro  Manila
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > mikel,
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > Can the Humanitarian OSM Team, help us?
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > cheers,
>> >>>> > maning
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> >>>> > From: maning sambale <emmanuel.sambale at gmail.com>
>> >>>> > Date: Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 11:44 AM
>> >>>> > Subject: need help on mapping for ondoy/Kestana flood victims in
>> >>>> > Metro
>> >>>> > Manila To: osm-ph <talk-ph at openstreetmap.org>, osm-talk
>> >>>> > <talk at openstreetmap.org>
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > Hi,
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > In case people in the international community didn't know, the
>> >>>> > Philippines (capital and surrounding provinces) were badly hit by
>> >>>> > tropical cylcone ondoy/kestana the past week [1].
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > My family was affected as well, but we are OK now.
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > Current efforts are now towards search, rescue and relief.  As a
>> >>>> > mapping community I feel we need to do something and contribute.
>> >>>> >  We
>> >>>> > need to document whatever information we can compile so that
>> >>>> > volunteers, relief workers, and government agencies can respond to
>> >>>> > the
>> >>>> > needs.
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > The recovery efforts may take a few more weeks and we need to
>> >>>> > sustain
>> >>>> > activities to restore vital public utilities to affected areas.
>> >>>> >  Some
>> >>>> > members of the OSM-PH has started creating webmap based on OSM to
>> >>>> > document what is currently happening on the ground [2].
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > I appeal to the whole OSM community to help us in this project.
>> >>>> >  What
>> >>>> > we currently need are:
>> >>>> > 1. A temporary server space we can use.
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > 2. Create mashups on related information about the disaster (osm
>> >>>> > data
>> >>>> > for Metro Manila and adjacent provinces is good enough as a map
>> >>>> > background), news feeds, location of evacuation sites, missing
>> >>>> > persons
>> >>>> > list.
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > 3. An interface in which users can report what is happening on the
>> >>>> > ground, (I'm thinking of an openstreetbug interface)
>> >>>> >  i.e. This street in unpassable due to floods. This street needs
>> >>>> > water.  This street has no electricity.  Too much garbage on this
>> >>>> > street please collect now.
>> >>>> >  This way communities can report problems and hopefully close
>> >>>> > "bugs".
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > I lack the technical skills to do this but I am willing to
>> >>>> > coordinate
>> >>>> > efforts in some areas and collect field data around my mapping
>> >>>> > area.
>> >>>> > Please help us do this project.  The hope is the information we
>> >>>> > gather
>> >>>> > and synthesize would be helpful.
>> >>>> > We do not need anything sophisticated at the moment we just need
>> >>>> > something running ASAP.
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > Thanks in advance.
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Typhoon_Ketsana_%282009%29
>> >>>> > [2] http://www.umapper.com/maps/view/id/42152
>> >>>> > --
>> >>>> > cheers,
>> >>>> > maning
>> >>>> > ------------------------------------------------------
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>> >>>> >
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>> >>>> > cheers,
>> >>>> > maning
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>> >> maning
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>> >
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>> > cheers,
>> > maning
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>> maning
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