[talk-ph] Tagging suggestion: Use the branch=* tag!

[Eugene Alvin Villar]

Hi,

I checked other instances of the branch tag elsewhere in the world and
it seems that they are also using it in the same way that we do. Some
examples:

1. A Barclay's bank in England:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/253409198
2. A KFC store in Australia: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/49553998
3. A Приватбанк bank in the Ukraine:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/83925848
4. A Waitrose supermarket in England:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/34520881
5. A Сбербанк России bank in Russia:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/618791144
6. A Vodafone store in England:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/638868816

I guess we can proceed? Hehehe.

Anyway, branch is a "non-standard" tag so I'll bring this topic up in
the international tagging mailing list to hopefully make this usage
official.

Eugene


On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 8:07 PM, Rally de Leon <ralleon at gmail.com> wrote:
> if UK is already using branch tag for transportation (subway), and in PH for
> shop's "branch code", and if it happens another country is using it for
> another purpose; then in the end UK users will probably win since they
> started using 'branch' ahead of us; that is if somebody started using
> 'branch' for rendering-purposes of worldwide osm mapdata.
>
> By this time, we'll be in trouble trying to rename again all our 'branch'
> assignments just to comply & to be consistent with the official tagging
> scheme.
>
> Maybe we if we don't like 'name:branch' (because it's too long) :-), let's
> use branch:ph or something else just to be on the safe side (for
> future-proofing sake). What do you guys think?
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 7:36 PM, Eugene Alvin Villar <seav80 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> If you check out this link maning gave, you can see that it's used
>> outside the Philippines, too:
>> http://taginfo.openstreetmap.de/keys/branch#values
>>
>> I checked out the usages in the UK and they are apparently using it to
>> tag Underground (subway) branch lines. I have yet to check the usages
>> in other countries.
>>
>> I'll try to bring it up to the tagging mailing list. But anyway, I
>> think we can use it as long as we are consistent. We can always rename
>> the tag if the international OSM community decides otherwise.
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 2:08 PM, Rally de Leon <ralleon at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > 'name:branch' is just something I invented. Besides the reasons as I
>> > already
>> > stated earlier (like bunching of similar tag by natural sorting-order of
>> > josm), I hesitated using plain 'branch' tag earlier because I'm afraid
>> > it
>> > may be reserved for other generic/universal purpose in osm (that I'm not
>> > aware of and produce conflict later...) and I'm too lazy to do research.
>> > :-)
>> >
>> > Now it appears no one is using or will be using 'branch' other than the
>> > PH's
>> > definition of a shop's "branch name or code".
>> >
>> > ok then, let's adapt 'branch', just rename all name:branch you'll find
>> > while
>> > editing, and let's hope it becomes adapted by osm. :-)
>> >
>> > (no problem with garmin map, since we treat both branch & name:branch as
>> > valid tags in the style filter, until such time we renamed all
>> > name:branch
>> > for consistency).
>> >
>> >
>> > On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 12:04 PM, Eugene Alvin Villar <seav80 at gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> So does everyone agree that we should use "branch" instead of
>> >> "name:branch" as the key for the tag?
>> >>
>> >> (I prefer "branch" because it's faster to type with autocomplete: "br")
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 4:08 PM, maning sambale
>> >> <emmanuel.sambale at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> > Nothing on the wiki, but, it used even outside the PH (although more
>> >> > than half is here in the PH):
>> >> > http://taginfo.openstreetmap.de/keys/branch#values
>> >> > http://tagwatch.stoecker.eu/Philippines/En/top_undocumented_keys.html
>> >> >
>> >> > On Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 3:59 PM, Rally de Leon <ralleon at gmail.com>
>> >> > wrote:
>> >> >> ok lang ako with plain branch, it's easier to type.  I have no
>> >> >> problem
>> >> >> typing it on josm editor, since it's autofill, once it detects the
>> >> >> presence
>> >> >> of at least one name:branch tag in your work area.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> 'name:branch' is just a personal preference because name &
>> >> >> name:branch
>> >> >> shows
>> >> >> in sequential/alphabetical order on JOSM. It's nicer to look at, and
>> >> >> I
>> >> >> like
>> >> >> the name-association approach in our other openstreetmap. eg. the
>> >> >> way
>> >> >> we use
>> >> >> place:ph which appears close to other place tags (i like the fact
>> >> >> that
>> >> >> closely-related-tags tend to bunch together) :-)
>> >> >>
>> >> >> anyway, whatever is agreed upon, i'll follow. (what's the approach
>> >> >> of
>> >> >> other
>> >> >> osm people worldwide or they don't care about the branches?)
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 3:18 PM, maning sambale
>> >> >> <emmanuel.sambale at gmail.com>
>> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> I agree with all your points, perhaps we can start adding the
>> >> >>> branch
>> >> >>> tag to all common POIs (jollibee, mcdo, etc.)? But why use the
>> >> >>> name:branch instead of just the branch tag?
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Of course, I will follow whatever we agree as a group. ;)
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> On Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 3:13 PM, Rally de Leon <ralleon at gmail.com>
>> >> >>> wrote:
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> > On Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 11:14 AM, maning sambale
>> >> >>> > <emmanuel.sambale at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >>> >>
>> >> >>> >> +1 for adding the branch tag.
>> >> >>> >>
>> >> >>> >> @Rally, is there any additional benefit for using the
>> >> >>> >> "name:branch"
>> >> >>> >> key?
>> >> >>> >>
>> >> >>> >> In the garmin map, it shows as Name - Branch.
>> >> >>> >>
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> > For garmin map, the plan is to add "name" + "-" + "name:branch"
>> >> >>> > when
>> >> >>> > the
>> >> >>> > map
>> >> >>> > is compiled, so that it's more convenient to search for a
>> >> >>> > particular
>> >> >>> > shop
>> >> >>> > while you're mobile. (need not look at the properties of every
>> >> >>> > poi
>> >> >>> > on
>> >> >>> > the
>> >> >>> > 'search results' to see if you got the correct address). I'm sure
>> >> >>> > gps
>> >> >>> > users
>> >> >>> > know this, and this is the reason why many contributors put the
>> >> >>> > branch-name
>> >> >>> > after the shop's name.
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> > So why separate (if we will combine them altogether again for
>> >> >>> > garmin
>> >> >>> > map)?,
>> >> >>> > because others may want to extract all the Jollibee's,
>> >> >>> > Metrobanks,
>> >> >>> > Mecury
>> >> >>> > Drugs, 7-Eleven's etc. It's much much easier to filter out a
>> >> >>> > specific
>> >> >>> > brand
>> >> >>> > (for whatever purpose it may serve, eg. market study).
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> > If in the future, I want all my Shell Stations to have a unique
>> >> >>> > custom
>> >> >>> > Icon,
>> >> >>> > all I have to do is filter out all name=Shell & amenity=fuel on
>> >> >>> > the
>> >> >>> > style
>> >> >>> > section. If we encourage contributors to put so many different
>> >> >>> > name-branch
>> >> >>> > combinations, we might miss out a few branches in the process.
>> >
>
>



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