[talk-ph] maps for mountaineers/ outdoor lovers

Eugene Alvin Villar seav80 at gmail.com
Thu Feb 17 04:11:37 GMT 2011

Hi guys,

Just keep on sending ideas and suggestions. We'll be considering these
during tomorrow's Hackday. :-)


On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 7:57 PM, Leonard Soriano <banito_pinoy at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Eugene,
> Magandang project yan! This is actually important as it can be used not only for recreation purposes but even for search and rescue efforts.
> I am thinking, if we could start on a case site like a national park that is frequently visited by  visitors both seasoned and not seasoned climbers. For example Mt. Pulag National Park. Given the traffic it gets the whole year, the benefits of having a gps map of the park complete with trail and waypoints has a very high potential.  For the past years, I was doing trail survey data with the UP Mountaineers and we have covered Ambangeg/Ambaguio/Akiki/ and just recently Tinoc trail.
> For those people who might be interested, a DRAFT result of the trail survey can be downloaded from this link:
> https://www.yousendit.com/download/MzZFblFKbWdoeVpjR0E9PQ
> password: @MtPNP_Draft
> The trails are already in OSM and some of the waypoints.
> For the contour data, I do have a digital files based from NAMRIA 1:50K topo maps and if our mappers would want to compile this, I can upload it somewhere for downloads.
> Napapanahon itong idea na ito.
> --bunny
> --- On Wed, 16/2/11, rem zamora <pompyang at gmail.com> wrote:
> From: rem zamora <pompyang at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [talk-ph] maps for mountaineers/ outdoor lovers
> To: "Eugene Alvin Villar" <seav80 at gmail.com>
> Cc: talk-ph at openstreetmap.org
> Received: Wednesday, 16 February, 2011, 4:18 PM
> eugene,
> you got my point exactly!
> been climbing mountains myself recently. last data uploaded by me in osm was trail to summit in kanlaon via guintubdan trail. trail tracks are very useful particularly in the outdoors. you need not rely 100 percent on the gps but i feel safer with this info uploaded to my gps.
> this is also helpful in search and rescue operations particularly in the mountains where road maps are not that important. we need topo maps in these mountains plus trail maps and waypoints.
> i still havent uploaded my waypoints but i usually save campsites, water source, rest stops, and other important points along the trail sucj as landmarks. and of course the summits. (so when i hike with people who keep on asking "are we there yet?" i can easily say we are about so and so kilometers away and it will take us about so and so hours hehe) was able to do this during recent climb to pulag :)
> anyway i hope you guys (the compilers) hear me on this. :) i dont know if i can learn the process but you can rely on me for data gathering :)
> rem
> On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 12:06 AM, Eugene Alvin Villar <seav80 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Well, if you want to get your hands dirty, you can actually DIY! The
> Garmin maps are compiled using mkgmap and you just need the raw OSM
> data (Geofabrik provides Philippine data extracts), the contour data
> (maybe Maning can share his data, but they were made using Groundtruth
> from NASA's SRTM data), and mkgmap itself (plus some learning time).
> But, we could additionally adopt your suggestion and consider adding
> another Garmin map download which has the consolidated contours for
> selected mountaineering peaks, and make the hiking/trekking trails
> more prominent. A mountaineer's map anyone?
> Hmmm, thinking about it, I actually like the idea! Instead of
> targeting only the car owners with the OSM Garmin map, we could also
> "expand the market" and target also the mountaineering clubs. A Garmin
> map that still contains roads (so the mountaineers can drive to the
> base camps and jump-off points) plus prominent hiking trails and
> contours would be a perfect addition. And if this map becomes popular,
> then we have another potential source of contributors who can map the
> rural and mountainous areas. :-D
> On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 10:04 PM, rem zamora <pompyang at gmail.com> wrote:
> > hey! just thinking aloud here. i know we have our osm map. and we also have
> > the 10m elevation contour map of the country. what if... we can consolidate
> > the two. in maning's page (http://esambale.wikispaces.com/osmphil_garmin)
> > there is already an osm map with contour. i havent checked it yet but the
> > note says it is only metro manila map and it might get too cluttered.
> > maybe, we can, put osm map for the whole country, and then put contour maps
> > for special places/mountains like apo, kanlaon, pulag, mayon, et.al. im not
> > sure how this can be implemented but maybe, just maybe there is a way to put
> > contour maps (just for certain areas where it can be useful) with street
> > maps from osm.
> > this will eliminate me having to put two maps in my gpsr and
> > enabling/disabling the mamp whic is needed/not needed.
> > just a suggestion guys :)
> >
> > --
> > Rem Zamora
> > 0916-55-11-407

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