[talk-ph] GPS article

Michael Cole colemichae at gmail.com
Tue Mar 8 06:43:40 GMT 2011


I really have second thoughts on this issue, you dont care what the machine 
time is you care the server time.. The next issue is that there is not a 
single article about ATM's failing in San Deigo in a mass scale in 2007.. That 
would have been big news..

The guy seems to be real, but the article is a little more fiction..

I would never use the terminals time, it is the time the termial talks to the 
base system that is most important which is where when the phones are down 
then the ATM's fail.. 


The codes are not based on GPS they have highly specific clocks, which is the 
same technology in the RSA keyrings you can buy. GPS is alot more expensive 
than a proper crystal..http://www.rsa.com/node.aspx?id=1311

He also mentioned the ATMS talked wirelessly, SHIT the Military had blocked 
that for the prupose of the exersice all wireless communication..

He just went to far in his assumptions that GPS caused the ATM's to fail..


Your cell phone also is not going to fail in the US because of lack of GPS.. 



On Tuesday 08 March 2011 2:25:41 pm maning sambale wrote:
> ATMs are using GPS because of the timestamps simply because atomic
> clocks are very expensive to install on each ATM.  Personally, I find
> it interesting because they found a use of GPS signal other than
> positioning.  However, I felt a certain degree on uneasiness for our
> increasing reliance to GPS signals in many of our daily activities,
> considering the planned expansion and creation of other GNSS (GLONASS,
> Galileo, China and Japan) are far from operational.
> 
> On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 2:11 PM, Jim Morgan <jim at datalude.com> wrote:
> > On Tuesday, 08 March, 2011 12:19 PM, Michael Cole wrote:
> > 
> > Of course other things went down, eg phones.. Because they were also
> > jammed to
> > stop the sailors using phones to call ship to ship..
> > 
> > GPS is more and more needed but the ATM's themselves do not have gps
> > units.. Unless they were mobile ATMS..
> > 
> > Well that was kind of the point ... The ATMs did use GPS, as the ATM
> > system used GPS for their accurate time signal. No one anticipated it
> > would fail until this test was run.
> > 
> > My main business is IT security, and that involves a component of risk
> > analysis. This is the kind of risk which is very hard to spot, and one
> > which will come out of left field and take you down. Which is why I
> > personally found it so interesting.
> > 
> > Jim
> > 
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