[talk-ph] Philippines License Change-over Readiness - Contact and Remapping

[Michael Collinson]

On 09/01/2012 03:01, maning sambale wrote:
> Dear mike,
>
> Replies inline.
>
> What is needed to participate in pilot project you mentioned?
>    
>> would like to ask you to join the UK in a
>> License Working Group pilot project to engage global mappers on a
>> country-by-country basis.
>>      
> AFAIK, several attempts were made to contact large contributors who
> have not responded in the license change.  In particular, I sent
> several emails to hellodeck.  I got no response so far.
>    
>> guess that if  contributor hellodeck can be reached, that would tip the
>> balance. Does anyone know if that is possible?
>>      
> We have a list of areas that require re-mapping here:
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Philippines/remapping
>
> To all mappers,  I suggest you update the list so that we know where
> to ficus re-mapping efforts.
>    
>> I strongly recommend that first you look at your areas and contact undecided
>> mappers via the OpenStreetMap messaging system or directly if you know them.
>>      
> Further ideas on how we start remapping welcome.
>    
Well, I and the Licensing Working Group are also learning as we go along 
- and learning from you - so I cannot add much. So ramblings rather 
specific ideas ...

First, feedback on the various tools will be gratefully received. If 
they don't work well for you, let me know. If there are specific highly 
technical things such as tricky reverts, let me know. We have a number 
of expert volunteers who may be able to improve or help.

Above all we don't want to offend people so we thought it best to go 
country-by-country at first rather than be seen as dictatorial.  OSM 
Philippines is a nice friendly (English-speaking!) group with a good 
sense collaborative communication, which should make the process easy.  
Hence a good place to start!  In other places, we have folks who are 
declining or deliberately not accepting and will still get upset if 
their hard made contributions disappear ... we are going to get bashed 
over the head so best be prepared.

Comparing the overall visual impression of the License View in Open 
Inspector and the numbers in 
http://odbl.poole.ch/phillippines-20111208-20120104-poly.html the 
Philippines actually looks in very good shape. In the UK, contributors 
with 5,000 nodes or so have mapped their own small town so I'd guess 
that only the top 15 undecided contributors have done more than a 
barangay.  There are a lot of folks such as Docronnie with a small 
number of nodes (72) versus highways (75) so I'd guess these are urban 
side streets that are going to disappear so if you can reach them, great.

If you want to co-ordinate, 
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Asking_users_to_accept_the_ODbL makes 
a good place to record who has been messaged.

Richard Weait of the LWG has also been organising bulk mailings in 
different languages. If we have not done a bulk mailing in Tagalog and 
it would be useful, let me know.

Messages may also be getting lost due to spam filters or out-of-date 
email. We cannot release addresses for privacy reasons but folks in 
other countries seem to have been able track down some users using Google.

As for the actual remapping, my guess is that it won't be easy as there 
will be nice maps of places that no one else knows and you can't get to 
easily. Perhaps these should simply be left alone. What would be very 
helpful is looking at major highways so that routing is not impaired. I 
am looking a the Jose Abad Santos Avenue just south of San Fernando now 
[1]. As they have been touched by many folks, they may have problematic 
stretches but can easily be remapped. The route is easy to see on Bing 
and there is GPS trace, you probably know the name and reference number 
... you can check the history to see if the maxspeed and lanes was 
contributed by an accepting contributor ... if not, tough, it gets lost 
else copy onto a new way.

Mike

[1] 
http://tools.geofabrik.de/osmi/?view=wtfe&lon=120.63497&lat=14.98636&zoom=13&opacity=1.00&overlays=overview,wtfe_point_clean,wtfe_line_clean,wtfe_point_harmless,wtfe_line_harmless,wtfe_point_modified,wtfe_line_modified_cp,wtfe_line_modified,wtfe_point_created,wtfe_line_created_cp,wtfe_line_created