[talk-ph] Treaty of Paris boundary

[Eugene Alvin Villar]

Hi everyone,

I'd like to bump up this topic.

Basically, I would like to suggest that we remove the
boundary=administrative and admin_level=2 tag from this boundary. (The
boundary data itself remains, but not the tags marking it as a country
boundary.)

Here are my reasons:

1. I couldn't find the legal basis for the northern treaty limit. The
original 1898 treaty says the limit is 20°N but this excludes Batanes. Also
the 1900 treaty does not give any coordinates.

2. The treaty limit includes the island of Palmas/Miangas which has been
determined by an international court to be part of Indonesia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Island_of_Palmas_Case

3. Removing the tags will not affect the country since we already have
another boundary=administrative + admin_level=2 polygon marking the
country's territorial sea under the UNCLOS.

What do you all think?



On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 2:07 AM, Eugene Alvin Villar <seav80 at gmail.com>wrote:

> Hi guys,
>
> I guess all of you know about the "treaty limits" boundary of the
> Philippines. This was derived from 3 documents:
>
> 1. 1898 Treaty of Paris<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Paris_%281898%29>(full
> text <https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Paris_%281898%29>)
>
> 2. 1900 Treaty of Washington<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Washington_(1900)>
>
> 3. 1930 Convention Between the United States and Great Britain<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convention_Between_the_United_States_and_Great_Britain_%281930%29>
>
> The question is, where the heck did we arrive at setting the northern
> treaty limit at somewhere around 21.5°N? Looking at all 3 documents, the
> closest thing we have is the 1898 treaty which says "A line running from
> west to east along or near the twentieth parallel of north latitude". 20°N
> is a far cry from 21.5°N. Note that the 20°N latitude actually excludes
> Batanes and thus this was corrected by the 1900 treaty. However this 2nd
> treaty does not say anything about moving any boundary lines but only says
> that Philippine islands outside the 1898 boundary lines that were
> controlled by Spain are given to the United States.
>
> So what gives?
>
>
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