[talk-ph] best practice for village admin_centre relations

Rally de Leon ralleon at gmail.com
Thu Jul 2 07:31:09 UTC 2015

Confused: I thought all along that the subject about the
admin-polygon-relation's center (whatever that means). :-) That normally,
in the absence of a member 'admin_centre' node in the relation, the
name-TEXT of that administrative polygon is rendered in its geometric

BUT, assigning a node as the admin_centre of an administrative_relation,
will for some reason render the TEXT value at the assigned 'location' of
said node. Which in most cases happens to be the  place_name. Isn't that
the idea of Maning's question? hmmmm

What's the difference if there's any? can you explain? (with example please
- yung pang elementary) for the benefit of the likes of me who are too lazy
to read the manual, hehe


On Thu, Jul 2, 2015 at 2:46 PM, Erwin Olario <govvin at gmail.com> wrote:

> Rally, Maning is asking about the administrative centres, and that would
> mean government authorities in charge of administration. They are not meant
> to represent the [geographic] "center of the village" which isn't something
> we normally map.
> As for place=village nodes, and like I wrote earlier, I put them in the
> commons (e.g. plaza, local park, etc.).
> Erwin
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> On Thu, Jul 2, 2015 at 2:35 PM, Rally de Leon <ralleon at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Question:
>> - What's the best practice for adding admin_centre nodes to the village
>> boundary relation? Should it be the barangay hall (amenity=townhall)
>> or the place=village node?
>> ------------
>> For place nodes, a good practice IMHO is putting said node (eg.
>> place=village)
>> somewhere NEAR but NOT ON an "object or group of objects" which
>> represents the center of the village, typically any of the following:
>>   -barangay hall
>>   -village plaza (eg. where there's a multipurpose hall or basketball
>> court)
>>   -the center of traditional grid-street (the oldest populated area of
>> the place)
>> My interpretation of "somewhere near" is around 100-150 meters away;
>> on a not-so-important space (eg. a vacant area or generic community)
>> in the vicinity, where there are no other place nodes, or important
>> landmarks
>> like a park or institution.
>> 1st Reason:
>> The 'place node' is represented by a TEXT on the map.
>> -a rendered TEXT always cover the lines and polygons under it. Thus,
>> putting a place_node very close to another object (eg. important
>> building),
>> will essentially make that building disappear (information visibility is
>> not optimized).
>> Said buildings  will only appear when you zoom-in on a digital map.
>> But you cannot zoom-in on a paper map (2-D). So I thought, the best
>> practice
>> is to move it just enough not to cover important objects (part of the
>> art).
>> (until such time we have an algorithm to do that automatically)
>> 2nd Reason:
>> Putting a place node inside a polygon with a large footprint the size of
>> a neighborhood, like an institutional_polygon or a park; will not just
>> potentially cover the 'name' of institution or park, but add unintended
>> confusion or misrepresentation of the polygon.
>> eg. If you put a place_node of Ermita inside Rizal Park's valencia
>> circle,
>> a tourist who wants to go to the heart of Ermita, ends up in Luneta
>> (which is technically Ermita) - but was not probably his/her intention
>> 3rd Reason:
>> There are some LGU's (municipal and barangays) which relocated (or
>> isolated)
>> their new townhalls away from the village or town centers.
>> Putting a place_node on top or near an isolated townhall (away from
>> populated center)
>> is not always representative of the general location of the village or
>> the town.
>> (this is a dilemna for Mamasapano, where townhall is located near the
>> boundary)
>> -----------------------
>> I'm voting +1 for:
>> place=village as admin_centre, provided it's located NEAR not ON the
>> object (amenity=townhall)
>> Cheer,
>> Rally
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