[talk-ph] Fwd: Another user possibly illegal copying from GMaps

Sat Jul 3 01:13:26 UTC 2021

Thank you for looking into this, Timmy.

I think I found the Nigerian connection: PARA9JA . It appears to be an app
specifically for Enugu City in Nigeria and is made by the same
company/developers Para Apps, Inc.

Reviewing the top contributors since January 2021  Jan Rei Gallardo who
only started mapping three weeks ago,  is the region's top contributor with
2,163 edits, beating local mappers several times over.

By the way, I'm consolidating all Para Apps related issues in the
PaperCut_Fix repo in this ticket [2].

For now, even with all these observations gathered so far, that we defer
any specific actions about their edits, and give them a chance to elaborate
on their process. If they fail to do so, then we can elevate this to DWG
(and present our findings to them), or if we're inclined to do so, tackle
this ourselves.

[0]: https://fb.com/PARA9JA
[1]: http://paraappsinc.com/
[2]: https://github.com/OSMPH/papercut_fix/issues/83

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On Fri, Jul 2, 2021 at 10:25 PM Timeo Gut <timeo.gut at hotmail.com> wrote:

> It's nice to at least finally hear some explanations from their side. But
> it does not really solve any of the issues.
>
> Having the same establishments and landmarks is not problematic per se,
> but there seems to be solid evidence that their hired third-party is (at
> the very least partially) providing them with POIs copied from Google Maps.
>
> Just as an example, here's a identical arbitrarily capitalized name in the
> same arbitrary location:
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/8873689562
> https://goo.gl/maps/QzyJqMRShrnCn1vh8
>
> Jan Rei Gallardo's edits are a significant improvement compared to the
> previous para mappers. He seems to at least make sure to place nodes within
> buildings and add proper tags, this makes it much more difficult to verify
> if all of the data or just part of it is copied.
>
> Para mappers in Davao Region (Abby Oavad Tagum, Dhadz and ortegajovan41)
> were a lot less careful. Out of about 30 analyzed POIs every single one is
> obviously copied from Google.
>
> Shop without tags with identical wrong coordinates:
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/8357629670
> https://goo.gl/maps/qkXyyCtMoWkQR5qaA
>
> Non-existent office in the middle of road:
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/8654016808
> https://goo.gl/maps/iZ3LvvWKB2fbnHEx5
>
> Same wrong location, school within existing school:
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/773674277
> https://goo.gl/maps/hvDMT5ofVRfUUAtc9
>
> Church and mosque within same building:
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/8367729778
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/8367763632
> https://goo.gl/maps/SyhwJRQWE6Nw7yd86
> https://goo.gl/maps/HHB8JMJoAXjGYaoC8
>
> I'm also curious what the edits in Nigeria are about. Jan Rei Gallardo is
> already the third para mapper (out of the 6 that were identified so far)
> that is editing in Enugu Area.
>
>
>
> On 2021-07-02 15:02, Erwin Olario wrote:
>
> CC'ing the list of their latest response: https://imgur.com/ml0IR2e
>
>> We hire third-parties who are from the area being mapped to tag the
>> location of establishments, landmarks, and other government offices. They
>> will send to us the coordinates and the names of the places, and will be
>> encoded accordingly by a third-party.
>>
>> The chances of having the same establishments, landmarks, and government
>> offices on the same location as Google is for the basic reason that we are
>> mapping the same areas on planet Earth. Unless, Google mapped an alternate
>> universe that would result in different mapping of the same locality.
>>
> FWIW, I previously invited them to engage with the LoCo through an online
> meeting, but instead got this response.
>
> FYI.
>
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> On Fri, Jul 2, 2021 at 12:19 PM Jherome Miguel <jheromemiguel at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Sorry, dapat send to all.
>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
>> From: Jherome Miguel <jheromemiguel at gmail.com>
>> Date: Thu, Jul 1, 2021 at 10:06 PM
>> Subject: Re: [talk-ph] Fwd: Another user possibly illegal copying from
>> GMaps
>> To: Erwin Olario <govvin at gmail.com>
>>
>>
>> Naghihintay pa ako ng reply sa huli kong PM with Jan Rei. Sana may linaw
>> na ang kaso nung kay JP Baje, kung member sya ng PARA mapping team. Di ko
>> maiwasang mapa-PI at map-l****k nang nakita ko ang mga edits ni Jan Rei.
>> Salamat na we have now a direct contact with a PARA map editor.
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 1, 2021 at 9:59 PM Erwin Olario <govvin at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Sa palagay ko, ang pinaka-maganda ay makapag-setup ng dialogue sa
>>> grupong (?) ito, para matulungan silang malinawan sa mga alituntunin ng
>>> OSM, kung yun nga talaga ang isyu dito.
>>>
>>> Sumagot ulit yung user na kausap ko, at sinasabi niyang hindi daw
>>> kinopya sa ibang mapa yung mga edits niya, at kinalap daw niya yon sa ibang
>>> sources. Hiniling kong mag-bigay siya ng karagdagan pang detalye sa proseso
>>> nila.
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>>> On Fri, Jul 2, 2021 at 11:39 AM Jherome Miguel <jheromemiguel at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Kinakausap ko na rin ang user kung kilala rin niya yung si “JPBaje”.
>>>> Lumalakas ang kutob ko na editor rin sya for PARA, lalo’t hindi siya
>>>> nag-reply sa una kong mga PM sa kanya bago nirevert ang lahat ng edits niya
>>>> at siya’y binlock ng DWG.
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Jul 1, 2021 at 8:40 PM Erwin Olario <govvin at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I also got a reply, and the username[0] has been changed.
>>>>>
>>>>> The user acknowledged their affiliation with the Para app, but did not
>>>>> disclose the source of their edits.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have previously been in touch with officers from this corporation,
>>>>> and in the past, they promised that they will abide by OSM rules.  If you
>>>>> get any permission to share that number, I'm willing to discuss this
>>>>> further with their users
>>>>>
>>>>> [0]:
>>>>> https://osmcha.org/filters?aoi=68b0b447-b692-47cd-ac6d-7be521e084b4
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>> On Fri, Jul 2, 2021 at 10:07 AM Jherome Miguel <
>>>>> jheromemiguel at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
>>>>>> From: Jherome Miguel <jheromemiguel at gmail.com>
>>>>>> Date: Thu, Jul 1, 2021 at 8:04 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: Another user possibly illegal copying from GMaps
>>>>>> To: Eugene Alvin Villar <seav80 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Just received reply (in Tagalog) from user, asking me to contact by
>>>>>> phone, but as I’m in Canada, could discuss it on-site instead. I’m in a
>>>>>> middle of a mass revert of edits around BF Homes when I received their PM.
>>>>>>
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