[Talk-pt] Portuguese flyer? (needs YOUR review!)

Fri Oct 25 22:28:25 UTC 2013

On 25-10-2013 22:57, Matthias Meisser wrote:
> Am 25.10.2013 19:35, schrieb Mauro Santos:
>> The translation looks good.
> 
>> I've spotted a couple typos s/eligações/e ligações/ and s/azona/a
>> zona/.
> 
> Obrigado!
> 
> 
>> The other thing I've noticed, and I don't know very well how to
>> explain it in english, is that the verbs have been conjugated in a
>> way that it seems the writer knows the reader personally (and are
>> friends).
> 
>> What I mean is, "Podes encontrar o web..." is similar to "Tu podes 
>> encontrar o web...", using "Tu" is not polite if you don't know
>> the other person. Personally I prefer to see "Pode encontrar o
>> web...".
> 
>> I suppose that teenagers don't care about how it's written but
>> someone the age of their parents (or older) might not like it, I'd
>> say that the flyer should try not to give a bad first impression.
> 
> I guess this was mixed as english just knows 'you' (you boy vs. you
> sir), so I think Miguel just choose what sounds reasonable to him.
> A more serious tone would b appreciated IMHO and is used in DE
> edition, too.
> 
> 
>> Finally, where it says open-source software, does it mean open
>> source or free software[1]?
> 
>> [1] http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html#open-source
> 
> Wow, I guess this is getting political ;) I made just the translation
> an DE also used "open source" that is IMHO more a buzzword to
> non-geeks than "free software". As the topic of the flyer is free
> mapping, we IMHO should avoid to get to close into details, but maybe
> you prefer using a different term for FLOSS?
> 

My idea was not to make it a political discussion but I agree that it
might have come across looking like that. My idea was to be
accurate/correct because ... we should/can be :p

I do have to agree that for the general audience "open source" will be
easier to recognize and identify with than "free software".

> Matthias
> 
> 
>> On 25-10-2013 18:36, Matthias Meisser wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> thanks to my colleague Miguel here at ISCTE, we have a first
>>> translation in Portuguese: 
>>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:!i!/PT_flyer
>>>
>>> So please review and improve it if you like. We also need a new
>>> paragraph on the OSGeo PT, ideally with the same length.
>>>
>>> Bom fim-de-semana, Matthias
>>>
>>> Am 23.10.2013 18:42, schrieb f.dos.santos at free.fr:
>>>> Funny, today there's a blog speaking of promotional leaflets :
>>>
>>>> http://blog.gravitystorm.co.uk/
>>>
>>>> I see that the idea of a portuguese flyer is in good shape but
>>>> didn't know how I can help you, I can't speak german ;-)
>>>
>>>> I also think the best pictures are for Lisboa in the low zoom
>>>> and Porto with the high zoom.
>>>
>>>> Francisco.
>>>
>>>> ----- Mail original ----- From: "Matthias Meisser"
>>>> <digi_c at arcor.de> To: talk-pt at openstreetmap.org Date:
>>>> 23/10/2013 14:56:47 Subject: Re: [Talk-pt] Portuguese flyer?
>>>
>>>> Am 21.10.2013 20:45, schrieb f.dos.santos at free.fr:
>>>>> I've not replied because I don't know ;-)
>>>
>>>> Não tem problema ;)
>>>
>>>
>>>>> All the mapping party I've heard have been organized by the
>>>>> OSGeo Local Chapter, I don't think they have an OSM flyer (I
>>>>> hope someone could prove me wrong :-) but it's a very good
>>>>> idea to have one.
>>>
>>>>> They used to have a wiki and a dedicated page for mapping
>>>>> events (but it's down) :
>>>
>>>>> http://wiki.osgeopt.pt/index.php/Vamos_mapear_Portugal
>>>
>>>>> Hopefully some OSGeo members read this list and you'll get
>>>>> an answer, if not we can cross-post to the OSGeo mailing list
>>>>> for a larger audience :
>>>
>>>>> http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/portugal/
>>>
>>>>> Their list is not OSM related but they are a bigger community
>>>>> so they will have better idea for sponsors and publishing
>>>>> partners.
>>>
>>>
>>>> I contacted the OSGeoPT and the president Jorge agreed, that
>>>> the *chapter will spend the money* and deal with the printing
>>>> if we finished the localisation.
>>>
>>>> I also contacted Frederik (Geofabrik chef), if he is ok with
>>>> replacing their promotion at the flyer with an OSGeo
>>>> 'advertising'. He is very ok with that and offered us to create
>>>> a *high res map rendering* for the flyer.
>>>
>>>> So now the question is, *which areas* we like to see at the
>>>> flyer? There is one place at one folding segment and second one
>>>> what covers 2xsegments. At the german flyer they use the city
>>>> Münster with low zoom and Berlin for the bigger area. Hmm so
>>>> use Lisboa and Porto?
>>>
>>>> Matthias
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>> ----- Mail original ----- From: "Matthias Meisser" 
>>>>> <digi_c at arcor.de> To: talk-pt at openstreetmap.org Date:
>>>>> 21/10/2013 20:38:19 Subject: Re: [Talk-pt] Portuguese flyer?
>>>
>>>>> As nobody replyed, I like to ask more specific:
>>>
>>>>> Woul it be ok to you, if *I ask some locals* to create
>>>>> portueuse translation of the official flyer? 
>>>>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:OSM_flyer_2010_thumb.png
>>>>> (I think I will use the more recent version, but sadly its
>>>>> just in DE 
>>>>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:OSM_flyer_2011_german.jpg)
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
> For *printing* a few thousands that can be spread to local
>>>>> mappers, will there be a organization that likes to sponsor
>>>>> and get's a attribution on the flyer? I would replace the
>>>>> german book with the english edition, ok? 
>>>>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Books#OpenStreetMap:_Using_and_Enhancing_the_Free_Map_of_the_World
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
> Should I ask OSMF or do you know any local sponsor or at least a
>>>>> Portuguese online service to order the prints?
>>>
>>>>> I will try to create another A5 flyer dedicated to the use of
>>>>> the "notes" function, that allows locals to easily contribute
>>>>> more details. IMHO this makes sense, as if they see some
>>>>> empty buildings, they might remember about local POIs?
>>>
>>>>> Matthias
>>>
>>>
>>>>> Am 16.09.2013 18:14, schrieb Matthias Meisser:
>>>>>> Hi everybody,
>>>
>>>>>> as I nearly finished tracing Bing aerials the past weeks, I
>>>>>> like to start with on-the-ground survey which will be photo
>>>>>> and pen&paper mapping: 
>>>>>> http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=16/38.7222/-9.1230&layers=N
>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
> As I'm not looking like a usual Portuguese guy and I can't make
>>>>>> me understandable in the language, I would like to have
>>>>>> something like a flyer, so people can understand what I'm
>>>>>> doing. In Germany there is one [1] and it helped me
>>>>>> already, because Germans care a lot about their privacy
>>>>>> (and property ;)). So can anybody tell me, if the
>>>>>> portuguese community has similar "documents" to show their
>>>>>> mission to the residents?
>>>
>>>>>> 1 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Flyers_and_posters
>>>
>>>>>> Greetings from Lisboa, Matthias
>>>
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