[Talk-pt] Dados da CAOP e import

Fri Nov 21 12:57:24 UTC 2014

Olá a todos,

A reversão terminou e foi um sucesso. Ao contrário do que anteriormente
estipulei, o trabalho todo foi dividido em apenas cinco changesets. [1] [2]
[3] [4] [5]

O processo em si demorou cinco horas e meia a ser realizado. A maior parte
deste feita entre as 02h30 e as 8h00 sendo que o changeset final (que
consistia em 147 objetos) foi realizado às 12h05.

Agora e durante os próximos dias irei procurar por erros ou dados que
tenham ficado danificados.

Também queria avisar que o único problema que surgiu desta reversão foi que
alguns elementos de uma pequena cidade grega foram alterados. [6] A razão
para tal acontecer foi mais provavelmente porque inseri erroneamente um
changeset durante o processo de reversão.

[1] https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/26920648
[2] https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/26921181
[3] https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/26922209
[4] https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/26922498
[5] https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/26927216
[6] https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/19932294

2014-11-19 0:07 GMT+00:00 Marcos Oliveira <marcosoliveira.2405 at gmail.com>:

> Olá a todos,
>
> Eu queria-vos dar a conhecer que enviei para o Data Working Group (DWG) um
> e-mail sobre esta situação, assim como o pedido para reverter tudo o que a
> minha conta de importação fez desde o dia que a criei.
>
> Coloco abaixo a mensagem que enviei-lhes, na sua integra, para assim todos
> terem o conhecimento do que eu escrevi.
>
> Com toda a estima,
> Marcos Oliveira
>
> Data Working Group,
>>
>> Hello, I am Marcos Oliveira and I'm contacting you to discuss about a
>> current problem that exists in the Portuguese OSM community where I am the
>> sole responsible in question.
>>
>> The issue is regarding the alteration and addition of administrative
>> boundaries and natural parks through my alternate account,
>> ViriatoLusitano_import. [1]
>>
>> A user, Francisco, submitted a thread in the Portuguese mailing list [2]
>> stating how I have been disrespecting the work of others by eliminating
>> nodes, ways and relations, namely places and boundaries (administrative and
>> natural parks), claiming that I've been doing outright vandalism. He also
>> claims to have sent you an e-mail about this situation.
>>
>> Let me show you my version of the story. I want it to be explicitly known
>> that I'm *not claiming* to be innocent, I admit I've done many things
>> wrong but vandalizing is not one of them.
>>
>> Francisco brought forward three main issues that I've caused:
>>
>>    1. The deletion of ways and relations that other users have made
>>    2. The modification of Portugal/Spain boundary
>>    3. The removal of places, namely hamlets
>>
>> Regarding the first point, when I began working on manually importing
>> administrative boundaries back on the 12th of September, I always tried
>> working using the existing elements that were contributed by other people.
>> The problem was that whenever I tried to upload the progress I've done
>> (after successfully validating), there appeared conflicts in the data,
>> sometimes in the hundreds.
>>
>> Since I didn't want to mess and probably ruin different types of data
>> other than administrative boundaries, I opted to first remove the old
>> boundaries where I later carefully imported my own work, without first
>> contacting the Portuguese community about this.
>>
>> Just recently I have learned to use the "replace geometry" tool that the
>> *utilsplugin2* plugin offers to conflate the data; now I can work
>> without ever having to delete a way nor any relations whatsoever.
>>
>> Regarding the second point, while I was working near the boundary with
>> Spain I found out that there were places where the boundary was erroneous:
>> sometimes our (or their) territory was hundreds of meters away from were it
>> was supposed to be.
>>
>> What I've done was, (again, I didn't want to cause any conflicts with the
>> existing data), remove the old way while at the same time replacing it with
>> one that followed official data from CAOP 2014 as well as it having all the
>> tags it previously had, including relations that included said way.
>>
>> Again, in my ignorance, I disregarded it as something unimportant to
>> discuss with the Portuguese and the Spanish community because I thoroughly
>> checked every relation to see if I was not breaking anything.
>>
>> Regarding the third point, I removed a lot of hamlets, not because I
>> didn't like them, but because I was suspicious they were bad data that was
>> transcribed either from gpspostcode [3] (licence not compatible with OSM)
>> or Google because a lot of hamlets had the exact same coordinates as the
>> information provided by the entities I mentioned just now. Once again, I
>> didn't discuss this removal with the community.
>>
>> I've always planned on replacing the data because I don't like removing
>> data from OSM. I asked some family members that live in the same general
>> area where the removals were made about the many hamlets that existed. As
>> of now I've already received information for one municipality which I
>> promptly edited back into OSM. [4]
>>
>> In short, I have removed existing data and replaced it with data that was
>> 100% manually verified that was of same or better quality. The central
>> problem is that I removed the history that contributors before me have
>> made. This is a very big mistake I've done, I admit, but it is not
>> vandalism.
>>
>> Having stated my arguments, I also come to you to ask permission for you
>> to completely revert my import account in order to correct the mistakes
>> I've done.
>>
>> A friendly contributor called naoliv, and I have been trying to find all
>> day a way to successfully conflate the old, deleted data with the new,
>> improved data that I've inserted. What we have found is that it is possible
>> but will take a very long time and it is actually more time efficient to
>> just revert all my edits and start anew, respecting the work of others and
>> the wishes of the community as I should always have done.
>>
>> My motto is to help, not hurt the work of others.
>>
>> I'm deeply sorry for doing what I've done, it won't happen again.
>>
>> Yours sincerely,
>> Marcos Oliveira aka. ViriatoLusitano
>>
>> [1] http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/ViriatoLusitano_import
>> [2]
>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-pt/2014-November/001038.html
>> [3] http://www.gpspostcode.com/
>> [4] http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/26834569?node_page=6
>> <https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/26834569?node_page=6>
>>
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-- 
Um Abraço,
Marcos Oliveira
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