[Talk-scotland] Wayfinding Workshops

Chris Fleming me at chrisfleming.org
Thu Jun 1 12:34:24 UTC 2017

Brilliant, thanks for going along,  I had hoped to make it yesterday but
got stuck at work.

Suspect the issue at play here is that they have hired graphic designers
who use Adobe Illustrator and therefore the solution is to use Illustrator.

It might be worth asking some questions of our local councillors and also
emphasising the advantage of a proper map such as routing and addressing
over a pretty picture...


On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, 13:24 Colin Paton, <cozzarp at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello all,
> I went along briefly yesterday to the "Wayfinding session" to see what
> it's all about. My understanding is:
> - Edinburgh council is spending too much money on Ordnance survey maps, so
> they've decided to have their own royalty free map. This map will be used
> to provide graphics for on street signs, event maps, tourist maps given
> away by hotels etc.
> - The sessions were to encourage people with knowledge of Edinburgh to
> place stickers on a large map, to show places of interest. Someone was from
> a cycling organisation, so it was suggested that cycle parking could be
> stickered.
> - The paper map would be photographed, and then taken away and drawn onto
> their computer.
> - Two people from Lothian buses were there. They pointed out that rather
> than place stickers of bus stop locations they would email an Excel
> spreadsheet of bus stops, and the City ID people said they would enter that
> into their "system". They also pointed out that Lothian buses had a
> detailed map from their own survey. However, there seemed to be politics
> involved - in that the City ID people were working with Transport for
> Edinburgh which (if I understood correctly) was a separate organisation
> from Lothian Buses, therefore couldn't use the map.
> - City ID appear to be primarily graphic designers who will design the
> look of these maps.
> - It appeared that the mapping would be done using Adobe Illustrator using
> different layers to represent different items. I asked if they used tools
> like ArcGIS, but I understood they hadn't heard of this.
> I raised the point that OSM already appeared to have the data they wanted
> and it seemed a waste of money to resurvey the whole of Edinburgh. The
> objections were:
> "The licence for OSM isn't compatible with what we are trying to do...
> (Questioning by me)....yes - it requires a copyright message to be placed
> on the maps so we cannot use it"
> "Open street map will become out of date whereas our map will be added to
> and kept up to date by the council and stakeholders with an interest in
> mapping Edinburgh"
> "The council cannot control what is added to OSM".
> "The council will not own the data in OSM".
> "We cannot guarantee where the OSM data has come from and might be sued by
> Google and cannot prove that their data was not used. We have been doing a
> street survey ourselves and have photographs taken in the survey to show
> where the data came from"
> I said that the MESH project had already spent a considerable amount of
> time mapping Edinburgh via what I understood to be public funding, and it
> seemed to be a waste of public money to do this all again. They said "Maybe
> then we can take their data".
> I post my understanding of the project here as I think it would be of
> interest to members of this list.
> Colin
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