[Talk-scotland] [Talk-GB] Tagging of roads with adjacent named terraces
Michael Booth
boothym at gmail.com
Mon May 9 09:37:40 UTC 2022
I noticed someone raised a note about a similar problem further along
the road at Abbeyhill Colonies, so I opened an issue on Nominatim's
github: https://github.com/osm-search/Nominatim/issues/2051 Sarah says
the OSM tagging is wrong a name:left/right shouldn't be used and
addr:place should be used instead.
As for parentstreet, having tried to follow all the addressing
discussions a few months ago I'm still not sure of its definition or
where it should be used.
People seemed to be suggesting it should be used for a street coming off
another street, but surely you just use the actual street name instead
of adding another one? (otherwise where do you stop!) I see it has been
used here off Easter Road -
https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/9423069429/history - but is it really
necessary to have a parentstreet here?
On 07/05/2022 18:59, Donald Noble wrote:
> Peter, Ken,
> Thanks for the feedback. I completely agree with using
> street/parentstreet for the addresses, and have tried to do this where
> appropriate following the recent discussions on talk-gb. I will also
> update the addresses on Leopold Place to include parentstreet=London
> Road when I make any changes following this discussion.
>
> However the question I have is more how should we tag the road? I
> would say it is unambiguously called London Road and happens to have a
> set of buildings on one side called Leopold Place. I think the
> original tagging of name=London Road, name:left=Leopold Place, is
> correct. But is there a good way to show/represent on the map more
> clearly that there is a set of buildings called Leopold Place?
>
> Cheers, Donald
>
>
>
> On Sat, 7 May 2022 at 18:35, Peter Neale <nealepb at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
> A quick scan of a street imagery app (that I won't name) shows a
> name board for a restaurant. The website of that restaurant shows
> it address as "20 Leopold Place, Edinburgh..."
>
> So, should it be "addr:street=Leopold Place";
> "addr:parentstreet=London Road"?
>
> Regards,
> Peter
>
> (PeterPan99)
>
>
> On Saturday, 7 May 2022, 17:51:33 BST, Donald Noble
> <drnoble at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Thanks for the opinion Robert, good to hear your thoughts. The
> question is what would you tag? There is not a single outline, but
> rather 9 separate buildings that together make up Leopold Place,
> plus there are 18 address nodes too. Combining these into a
> single item would lose detail, and the wiki page on buildings
> explicitly suggests mapping each house in a terrace. Naming each
> building separately also seems wrong. Perhaps a surrounding
> landuse=residential area?
>
> Cheers, Donald
>
> On Sat, 7 May 2022 at 17:13, Robert Weetman
> <robert.wtman.88 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Not sure if it helps to add this kind of response, but I'm
> going to anyway...
>
> It feels instinctively to me to be that the obvious tagging
> should be with Leopold Place as a building name. I imagine
> this causing issues with actual maps, but we're going to face
> this issue anyway. And we should fall back on the rule about
> not tagging for any particular rendering.
>
> I guess there's no harm in the addr:substreet addition too.
>
> Just my twopennethworth as they say.
>
> Robert
>
>
> On Sat, 7 May 2022, 16:31 Donald Noble, <drnoble at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Thanks Alan,
> As I understood addr:substreet was more in conjunction
> with address nodes on buildings, not tagging the road
> ways, as this loses the spatial placement and doesn't work
> when both sides of a road have different names
> buildings/terraces. I suppose we could go with
> addr:substreet:left and :right, but I am not sure this is
> helpful.
>
> Donald
>
> On Sat, 7 May 2022 at 16:03, Alan Mackie
> <aamackie at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I think in recent discussions the preference was for
> these addresses to be tagged `addr:substreet`, as in a
> level of addressing "below" street level in the
> hierarchy. The building names themselves can also be
> applied to the buildings with the usual tags.
>
> Sorry for the double response, forgot to reply all.
>
> On Sat, 7 May 2022, 14:51 Donald Noble,
> <drnoble at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> Just wondering if there is any consensus/guidance
> on tagging of streets with adjacent named
> buildings/terraces. There are quite a few of these
> in Scotland, and until now these have been tagged
> with the main name of the road, and
> name:left/name:right as appropriate for the
> building/terrace name.
>
> Recently a mapper has changed a couple of these so
> the (minor) name appears on the map, and they do
> not appear to be local. Before reverting this, I
> just wanted to reach out to the wider community.
>
> This road is called London Road, but the buildings
> to the north are called Leopold Place, see
> https://www.mapillary.com/app/?pKey=932836447528898
> which shows both signs (although a bit blurry)
> GinaroZ left a note
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/note/3087279 regarding
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/116967047
>
> Thanks for your thoughts on this,
> Cheers, Donald
>
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