[Talk-scotland] [Talk-GB] Tagging of roads with adjacent named terraces

Michael Booth boothym at gmail.com
Mon May 9 09:37:40 UTC 2022


I noticed someone raised a note about a similar problem further along 
the road at Abbeyhill Colonies, so I opened an issue on Nominatim's 
github: https://github.com/osm-search/Nominatim/issues/2051 Sarah says 
the OSM tagging is wrong a name:left/right shouldn't be used and 
addr:place should be used instead.

As for parentstreet, having tried to follow all the addressing 
discussions a few months ago I'm still not sure of its definition or 
where it should be used.

People seemed to be suggesting it should be used for a street coming off 
another street, but surely you just use the actual street name instead 
of adding another one? (otherwise where do you stop!) I see it has been 
used here off Easter Road - 
https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/9423069429/history - but is it really 
necessary to have a parentstreet here?

On 07/05/2022 18:59, Donald Noble wrote:
> Peter, Ken,
> Thanks for the feedback. I completely agree with using 
> street/parentstreet for the addresses, and have tried to do this where 
> appropriate following the recent discussions on talk-gb. I will also 
> update the addresses on Leopold Place to include parentstreet=London 
> Road when I make any changes following this discussion.
>
> However the question I have is more how should we tag the road? I 
> would say it is unambiguously called London Road and happens to have a 
> set of buildings on one side called Leopold Place. I think the 
> original tagging of name=London Road, name:left=Leopold Place, is 
> correct. But is there a good way to show/represent on the map more 
> clearly that there is a set of buildings called Leopold Place?
>
> Cheers, Donald
>
>
>
> On Sat, 7 May 2022 at 18:35, Peter Neale <nealepb at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
>     A quick scan of a street imagery app (that I won't name) shows a
>     name board for a restaurant.  The website of that restaurant shows
>     it address as "20 Leopold Place, Edinburgh..."
>
>     So, should it be "addr:street=Leopold Place";
>     "addr:parentstreet=London Road"?
>
>     Regards,
>     Peter
>
>     (PeterPan99)
>
>
>     On Saturday, 7 May 2022, 17:51:33 BST, Donald Noble
>     <drnoble at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>     Thanks for the opinion Robert, good to hear your thoughts. The
>     question is what would you tag? There is not a single outline, but
>     rather 9 separate buildings that together make up Leopold Place,
>     plus there are 18 address nodes too. Combining these into a
>     single item would lose detail, and the wiki page on buildings
>     explicitly suggests mapping each house in a terrace. Naming each
>     building separately also seems wrong. Perhaps a surrounding
>     landuse=residential area?
>
>     Cheers, Donald
>
>     On Sat, 7 May 2022 at 17:13, Robert Weetman
>     <robert.wtman.88 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>         Not sure if it helps to add this kind of response, but I'm
>         going to anyway...
>
>         It feels instinctively to me to be that the obvious tagging
>         should be with Leopold Place as a building name. I imagine
>         this causing issues with actual maps, but we're going to face
>         this issue anyway. And we should fall back on the rule about
>         not tagging for any particular rendering.
>
>         I guess there's no harm in the addr:substreet addition too.
>
>         Just my twopennethworth as they say.
>
>         Robert
>
>
>         On Sat, 7 May 2022, 16:31 Donald Noble, <drnoble at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>             Thanks Alan,
>             As I understood addr:substreet was more in conjunction
>             with address nodes on buildings, not tagging the road
>             ways, as this loses the spatial placement and doesn't work
>             when both sides of a road have different names
>             buildings/terraces. I suppose we could go with
>             addr:substreet:left and :right, but I am not sure this is
>             helpful.
>
>             Donald
>
>             On Sat, 7 May 2022 at 16:03, Alan Mackie
>             <aamackie at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>                 I think in recent discussions the preference was for
>                 these addresses to be tagged `addr:substreet`, as in a
>                 level of addressing "below" street level in the
>                 hierarchy. The building names themselves can also be
>                 applied to the buildings with the usual tags.
>
>                 Sorry for the double response, forgot to reply all.
>
>                 On Sat, 7 May 2022, 14:51 Donald Noble,
>                 <drnoble at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>                     Hi,
>
>                     Just wondering if there is any consensus/guidance
>                     on tagging of streets with adjacent named
>                     buildings/terraces. There are quite a few of these
>                     in Scotland, and until now these have been tagged
>                     with the main name of the road, and
>                     name:left/name:right as appropriate for the
>                     building/terrace name.
>
>                     Recently a mapper has changed a couple of these so
>                     the (minor) name appears on the map, and they do
>                     not appear to be local. Before reverting this, I
>                     just wanted to reach out to the wider community.
>
>                     This road is called London Road, but the buildings
>                     to the north are called Leopold Place, see
>                     https://www.mapillary.com/app/?pKey=932836447528898
>                     which shows both signs (although a bit blurry)
>                     GinaroZ left a note
>                     https://www.openstreetmap.org/note/3087279 regarding
>                     https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/116967047
>
>                     Thanks for your thoughts on this,
>                     Cheers, Donald
>
>                     -- 
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