[Talk-scotland] non-motor vehicle highways, rendering and Outdoor Access 2002

[James Jarvis]

Hi Robert,

A compromise may to be to use bicycle=designated but then this is not appropriate for bicycles that are not mountain bikes. The solution seems to be to include mtb:scale=* but I would like to hear if anyone has views. 

I like your example of the shared path in Edinburgh.

Thank-you. 


> On 17 Mar 2024, at 12:43, Robert Weetman <robert.wtman.88 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> This is an excellent question James. My related question would be about when we call something a cycleway (e.g. https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/4714922#map=15/55.9673/-3.2306 ) rather than a footway (on which you can cycle). I've become somewhat disconnected from the Edinburgh OSM community over the last few years, but I'm sure someone else will have been talking about / puzzling over this. Is there any kind of set of halfway-agreed conventions on these things? Is it written down? Because it should be...
> Robert
> 
> On Sun, 17 Mar 2024 at 10:04, James Jarvis <jjarvis970 at gmail.com <mailto:jjarvis970 at gmail.com>> wrote:
>> Hello,
>> 
>> On the off chance this issue has been solved and there is documentation that someone can point to…
>> 
>> Disclaimer - I do know we should not map for the renderer!
>> 
>> Background - Outdoor Access Scotland 2002 legislation provides equal rights of access to walkers, horse riders, cyclists and mountain bikers. Some paths are better suited to subsets of these. 
>> 
>> Issue - the access tags are a legal value indicating authorised access or not. I am not a mountain biker. As a pedestrian, MTB trails are not my first choice of route.
>> 
>> Default OpenStreetMap render appears to only show as a MTB route if the pedestrian access is set to “no”?
>> 
>> WayMarked Trails website will show MTB Routes irrespective of the access tags on the highway
>> 
>> 
>> Relation: Bermageddon(17353136) - the underlying path has access foot=yes
>> 
>> Way: Hush Hush(1147600166) - this has the access for foot=no (inherited, not set by me)
>> 
>> Am I correct to believe the OpenStreetMap and legally “correct” thing to do would be to set access foot=yes ?
>> 
>> And is it ok to leave bicycle=designated ??? I feel that is the prime use of the path.
>> 
>> 
>> Thoughts, discussions, dissent, references sought!
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> James
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