[Talk-se] Trying to locate actual fire locations for mapping projects

Thu Jul 26 14:54:09 UTC 2018

The fire SW and S of Sveg seem to be managed now. No flames according to this map.
https://kartor.skogsstyrelsen.se/kartorapp/?startapp=skogligagrunddata

I mapped a lot of roads at Älvdalens skjutfält/Trängslet before I started the HOT-work E of Sveg. There are however a lot left to map at Trängslet.
The area S of Sveg was already well mapped by a tourist a year ago, so I only needed to add a couple of small lakes.

SW of Sveg I don’t know, but there are no flames there.

But I think we could use a combined effort at Trängslet (If the Polish firefighters are going there).

Regards

AndersAndersson

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Från: Karl Wettin <karl.wettin at kodapan.se> 
Skickat: den 26 juli 2018 05:15
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Ämne: Re: [Talk-se] Trying to locate actual fire locations for mapping projects

I think I have figured it out!

Interview from yesterday with the Polish lead on site in Sveg:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHPUYdkyfjY&feature=youtu.be&t=141

Paraphrased:

"
We are working on two sites that are 20km, more or less, from our base of operations.

On the first site we are replacing the Swedish firefighters.

We are trying to control the fire in a close proximity of the bigger fire which is south west of Sveg.
"

So, the second site is the one SW of Sveg at Älvdalens skjutfält.
There are however three larger fires in that area according to  VIIRS.

"In proximity of the bigger fire", does that mean around the larger fire, or does it mean a smaller fire close to the larger fire?

There is a smaller fire around 61.60, 13.50.
There is a larger fire at around 61.64, 13.57.

The third one, at least as large as the large one mentiond above is, if I figured it out right, the one located within the area they withdrew all firefighters from as it's a military training ground with risks of explosion. The one they bombed with fighter jets yesterday.

kalle

2018-07-26 0:40 GMT+02:00 Karl Wettin <karl.wettin at kodapan.se>:
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> The press contact is open 24/7, so I called them.
>
> MSB knows nothing more than that they are placed in Gävleborg and Jämtlands län. It is up to each län to decide where they will be deployed. Our best shot is probably getting a hold of someone in the actual team of firefighters that can let us know when and where they are deployed.
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> kalle
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> 2018-07-26 0:25 GMT+02:00 Karl Wettin <karl.wettin at kodapan.se>:
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>> +1
>>
>> I’ll try to get in touch the MSB press contact tomorrow (the least invasive point of contact I can think of) to see if they have any information regarding the whereabout of the polish brigades.
>>
>> 25 juli 2018 kl. 22:06 skrev Christoffer Holmstedt <christoffer.holmstedt at gmail.com>:
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>>> The new project 4912 covers the other project's area is this wise?
>>>
>>> I think it would be more wise to cover the areas south and south west of Sveg but do _not_ include "Älvdalens Skjutfält"/Trängslet [3] as there are undetonated ammunition in that area so no firefighters are allowed to go in there. One or more HOT OSM project(s) covering Strandasmyrvallen [1] and Lillhärdal [2] would be my best suggestions for mapping efforts without any proper communication with the Polish firefighters.
>>>
>>> [1] 
>>> http://emergency.copernicus.eu/mapping/ems-product-component/EMSR298
>>> _05STRANDASMYRVALLEN_01DELINEATION_MONIT01/2
>>> [2] 
>>> http://emergency.copernicus.eu/mapping/ems-product-component/EMSR298
>>> _04LILLHARDAL_01DELINEATION_MAP/1 [3] 
>>> http://emergency.copernicus.eu/mapping/ems-product-component/EMSR298
>>> _03TRANGSLET_01DELINEATION_MONIT01/1
>>> --
>>> Christoffer Holmstedt
>>>
>>> 2018-07-25 21:49 GMT+02:00 Blake Girardot <bgirardot at gmail.com>:
>>>>
>>>> Greetings,
>>>>
>>>> I created a 2nd project for the area SE of Sveg (I left out the SW 
>>>> area based on Mattias's comments)
>>>>
>>>> https://tasks.hotosm.org/contribute?difficulty=ALL&organisation=OSM
>>>> -SE
>>>>
>>>> Respectfully,
>>>> blake
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Jul 25, 2018 at 8:52 PM, Mattias Lindblad <osm at matli.net> wrote:
>>>> > Unfortunately that map marks everything, from small 
>>>> > wastebasket-fires that are already extinguished to huge  wildfires.
>>>> >
>>>> > http://effis.jrc.ec.europa.eu/static/effis_current_situation/publ
>>>> > ic/index.html is a bit less detailed, but can be zoomed and use 
>>>> > an OSM layer.
>>>> >
>>>> > The area that Blake referred to as being SW of Sveg is probably 
>>>> > the fire in the military area Trängslet, which is very 
>>>> > problematic in many aspects. I would think that the Polish force is not deployed there.
>>>> >
>>>> > /Mattias
>>>> >
>>>> > ons 25 juli 2018 kl. 20:40 skrev Björn Stenberg <bjorn at haxx.se>:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> SOS Alarm keeps an updated map here:
>>>> >> https://www.sosalarm.se/lagesbild-brand
>>>> >>
>>>> >> This map is referred to by government agency sites so it is 
>>>> >> probably the best publicly available. Unfortunately it is rather 
>>>> >> zoomed out so I'm not sure it is good enough for our purpose.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> --
>>>> >> Björn
>>>> >> On 25 July 2018 8:24:05 pm Blake Girardot <bgirardot at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> > whoops I spoke to soon, that is very similar to the web map 
>>>> >> > service for modis viiris data.
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > ( Still very glad to have it as a wms rather than a web map )
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > I do not see any hot spots near Sveg.
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > I was hoping Swedish new reports might help locate the actual 
>>>> >> > fire sites.
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > On Wed, Jul 25, 2018 at 8:05 PM, NKA mapper <nkamapper at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> >> >> This WMS will show the actual fire areas:
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> https://firms.modaps.eosdis.nasa.gov/wms/?FORMAT=image/PNG&VE
>>>> >> >> RSION=1.1.1&SERVICE=WMS&REQUEST=GetMap&LAYERS=fires_modis_7,f
>>>> >> >> ires_viirs_7&STYLES=&SRS={proj}&WIDTH={width}&HEIGHT={height}
>>>> >> >> &BBOX={bbox}
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> Den ons. 25. jul. 2018 kl. 18:42 skrev Blake Girardot
>>>> >> >> <bgirardot at gmail.com>:
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>> Hi all,
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>> Can someone help me locate the actual locations of the fires 
>>>> >> >>> for these two general areas?
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>> the polish crew will be placed in Ljusdalen and the other 
>>>> >> >>> half around Sveg
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>> I can not locate the actual fire locations around those two areas.
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>> Could someone locate those fire areas and send me a geojson 
>>>> >> >>> or .osm file so I can create projects around them please?
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>> Respectfully,
>>>> >> >>> blake
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>> --
>>>> >> >>> ----------------------------------------------------
>>>> >> >>> Blake Girardot
>>>> >> >>> OSM Wiki - 
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