[Talk-si] "izboljšave" uporabnika 4KK

[martianfreeloader]

Hi,

I think the account 4KK should be reported for vandalism.

TLDR:
- 4KK destroys the map.
- When confronted with their behaviour, they either don't reply at all 
or in an insulting way.


Long version:

History of 4KK:
- The account was created in 2017.
- Strong mapping activity only started in Feb 2022

A list of the changesets that have been discussed by other users:
https://resultmaps.neis-one.org/osm-discussion-comments?uid=6270480

Comments made by other mappers to 4KK's changesets:
- 11 changesets of 4KK are discussed by other users (since April 2022)
- All 11 changesets have been critized by other mappers as seriously and 
clearly wrong. (with mixed degrees politeness, but nothing off the 
spectrum of normal OSM demeanor)

4KK's reaction:
- To 9 of these comments, 4KK did not reply at all.
- To 1 changeset, 4KK replied in a polite but nonconstructive way: 
https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/126707625
- To 1 changeset, 4KK replied with an insult and nothing substantial: 
https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/121494577
(I think that this incident alone would already justify deletion of the 
account)


I did not check the actual mapping content of these changesets, so I 
can't tell whether all the other mappers were always right with their 
criticism. But given that 4KK has been repeatedly drawn criticism by 
various users, I assume they are right.

Personally, I had one instance myself where I discovered that 4KK mapped 
a completely fictional motorway (in fact most credits go to 
scabiosa_trenta), but I didn't make this public at the time because I 
didn't see the broader picture.

Best,
m





On 26/10/2022 23:50, Miha Pavšič via Talk-si wrote:
> Živjo,
> 
> ja, že prej je to počel (recimo 9 mesecev nazaj). Sam sem najprej opazil relacijo "Razvojna os 3A Ljubljana-Kočevje”, kjer je vrisal “proposed” cesto od razcepa Malence naprej, kot vir pa navedel novico iz leta 2015. Gre samo za neko staro idejo, ki se je takrat pojavila, ampak je vsaj na začetnem delu nerealistična in se o njej sploh ne govori več. Bila je idejna zasnova, sploh ne nekaj načrtovanega, in kot taka zadeva po mojem nima kaj iskati v OSM. Kako pa bi izgledalo, če bi vsak risal neke idejne zasnove?
> 
> Skratka, changeset sem pokomentiral (letoss septembra), komentarja z njegove strani ni bilo, pa tudi na moje sporočilo direktno njemu ni odgovoril.
> 
> Lep pozdrav,
> Miha
> 
>> On 26 Oct 2022, at 17:58, Damjan Gerl <damjan na damjan.net> wrote:
>>
>> Prosim napiši kakšno opombo na changeset, tako da bo tam "javno" odgovoril (če bo), da bomo vsaj videli kaj/kako odgovori. In lahko dobi tudi več odgovorov drugih osm-erjev.
>>
>> Potem pa se lahko ukrepa in vpraša, da ga iz osm-boarda opomnijo ali začasno blokirajo, če je potrebno.
>>
>> LP,
>> Damjan
>>
>>  From "Blaž Lorger" blaz.lorger na krs.net
>> To talk-si na openstreetmap.org
>> Cc Date Wed, 26 Oct 2022 17:35:56 +0200
>> Subject [Talk-si] "izboljšave" uporabnika 4KK
>>
>>
>> Mogoče ste že opazili da je v zadnjih dneh uporabnik 4KK (https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/4KK) naredil več sprememb na področju Slovenije.
>> Kakšna je pozitivna, so pa tudi neustrezne.
>> Zgleda se je koncentriral na ceste pri tem pa je spremenil tudi precej relacij. Zaradi površnega dela so vsaj nekatere izmed teh relacij zdaj nepravilne. Kot na primer ta turn restriction (https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/2653752/history). Zdaj je legalno narediti oster zavoj in se vrniti v krožišče.
>>
>> Na moj poziv naj popravi take napake je jasno odgovoril da tega ne namerava storiti.
>> Predlagam da se lotite popravljanja.
>>
>> Pozdrav,
>>    Blaž
>>
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