[Talk-si] suing a user for insult and threats
martianfreeloader
martianfreeloader na posteo.net
Ned Nov 6 11:51:27 UTC 2022
Thanks Domen!
Igor, I might still give it a try. In Germany, there are precedents
where people have been successfully sued for this kind of stuff.
Happy mapping everyone! :-)
On 06/11/2022 08:36, Domen Kastner wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> @Martianfreeloader the best way to try getting info on how to act if you
> are bullied by someone from Slovenia over the internet is to contact
> safe.si <https://safe.si/english> or send them an email to info na safe.si
> <mailto:info na safe.si>.
> Please let us know how it went if you choose to sue the kiddo.
>
> OSM servers have the 4KK IP address and by EU law, the 4KK's ISP
> provider and OSM must comply to get the data if you go that far. I bet
> the kiddo is not that smart to obscure his IP address.
>
> Happy Sueing ;)
>
> On Sun, 6 Nov 2022 at 07:40, Igor Brejc <igor.brejc na gmail.com
> <mailto:igor.brejc na gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> To be honest, I would just report this to OSM (even multiple times,
> if necessary) and ignore it. There are too many idiots on the
> internet to sue them all and also I'm not sure how you would be able
> to find his real name and address.
>
> Kind regards,
> Igor
>
> On Sat, Nov 5, 2022 at 7:26 PM martianfreeloader
> <martianfreeloader na posteo.net <mailto:martianfreeloader na posteo.net>>
> wrote:
>
> I have just been insulted and threatened by the account.
>
> I would like to sue the owner of that account for compensation,
> but I am
> citizen and resident of Germany and I don't read Slovene, nor do
> I know
> anything about the legal system there.
>
> The owner of the account seems to be resident of Slovenia,
> according to
> their heatmap: https://yosmhm.neis-one.org/?4KK
> <https://yosmhm.neis-one.org/?4KK>
> (could be wrong; like my own heatmap would wrongly suggest that
> I am
> Slovene)
>
> Does any one know how to best go about suing them in Slovenia?
>
>
> For context:
> My only interaction with the account was my comment on
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/128392452
> <https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/128392452>
>
> They replied to me in a private message which contained three
> threats:
>
> "DO NOT FUCKING COMMENT ON ANY OF MY FUCKING EDITS"
> "DON’T YOU FUCKING DARE MESSAGE ME"
> "KILL YOURSELF"
>
> and a number of insults:
> "Fuck you bitch"
> "YOU IDIOTIC JACKASS"
> "YOU LITTLE SHIT"
> "GO FUCK YOURSELF"
>
>
> On 04/11/2022 21:00, martianfreeloader wrote:
> > Thanks!
> >
> >
> >
> > On 04/11/2022 16:47, Igor Brejc wrote:
> >> Reported him/her, adding a couple of most egregious
> edits/comments. It
> >> takes only a couple of minutes.
> >>
> >> Kind regards,
> >> Igor
> >>
> >> On Thu, Nov 3, 2022 at 11:28 PM martianfreeloader
> >> <martianfreeloader na posteo.net
> <mailto:martianfreeloader na posteo.net>
> <mailto:martianfreeloader na posteo.net
> <mailto:martianfreeloader na posteo.net>>>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> Anyone who can spare a half hour, please report 4KK as
> soon as
> >> possible!
> >>
> >> As the account is not only insulting people but actively
> >> destroying the
> >> map, it seems that time is of the essence.
> >>
> >> Apparently, the account also engages in edit wars:
> >> https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/342087384/history
> <https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/342087384/history>
> >> <https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/342087384/history
> <https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/342087384/history>>
> >>
> >> I have little capacity for OSM at the moment, sorry;
> otherwise I'd
> >> do it
> >> myself.
> >>
> >> Thanks to Damjan Gerl for bringing this up and to
> everyone who
> >> contributed to the discussion so far!
> >> m
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On 03/11/2022 19:16, pitastrudl na gmail.com
> <mailto:pitastrudl na gmail.com>
> >> <mailto:pitastrudl na gmail.com
> <mailto:pitastrudl na gmail.com>> wrote:
> >> > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Report_user
> <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Report_user>
> >> <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Report_user
> <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Report_user>>
> >> >
> >> > We can report to data, “ат”openstreetmap.org
> <http://openstreetmap.org>
> >> <http://openstreetmap.org <http://openstreetmap.org>>
> for vandalism and report
> >> > the user in a separate section. We should take all
> the below
> >> evidence
> >> > and forward it to the mentioned email. *
> >> > *
> >> >
> >> > On 03/11/2022 19:11, Igor Brejc wrote:
> >> >> What's the procedure here? How do we report this?
> >> >>
> >> >> On Thu, Nov 3, 2022, 17:59 martianfreeloader
> >> >> <martianfreeloader na posteo.net
> <mailto:martianfreeloader na posteo.net>
> >> <mailto:martianfreeloader na posteo.net
> <mailto:martianfreeloader na posteo.net>>> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> Another inappropriate changeset comment from
> just yesterday:
> >> >>
> >> >> https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/128392452
> <https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/128392452>
> >> <https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/128392452
> <https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/128392452>>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> On 03/11/2022 17:17, Igor Brejc wrote:
> >> >> > Hi,
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Even if nothing else, he should be reported
> for that
> >> insulting
> >> >> comment
> >> >> > on
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/121494577
> <https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/121494577>
> >> <https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/121494577
> <https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/121494577>>
> >> >> >
> <https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/121494577
> <https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/121494577>
> >> <https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/121494577
> <https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/121494577>>>, this isn't
> >> >> just
> >> >> > vandalism, but pure abusive behavior.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Cheers,
> >> >> > Igor
> >> >> >
> >> >> > On Thu, Nov 3, 2022 at 4:47 PM martianfreeloader
> >> >> > <martianfreeloader na posteo.net
> <mailto:martianfreeloader na posteo.net>
> >> <mailto:martianfreeloader na posteo.net
> <mailto:martianfreeloader na posteo.net>>
> >> >> <mailto:martianfreeloader na posteo.net
> <mailto:martianfreeloader na posteo.net>
> >> <mailto:martianfreeloader na posteo.net
> <mailto:martianfreeloader na posteo.net>>>> wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Hi,
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I think the account 4KK should be reported
> for
> >> vandalism.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > TLDR:
> >> >> > - 4KK destroys the map.
> >> >> > - When confronted with their behaviour,
> they either
> >> don't
> >> >> reply at all
> >> >> > or in an insulting way.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Long version:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > History of 4KK:
> >> >> > - The account was created in 2017.
> >> >> > - Strong mapping activity only started in
> Feb 2022
> >> >> >
> >> >> > A list of the changesets that have been
> discussed by
> >> other
> >> >> users:
> >> >> >
> >>
> https://resultmaps.neis-one.org/osm-discussion-comments?uid=6270480 <https://resultmaps.neis-one.org/osm-discussion-comments?uid=6270480>
> >>
> <https://resultmaps.neis-one.org/osm-discussion-comments?uid=6270480 <https://resultmaps.neis-one.org/osm-discussion-comments?uid=6270480>>
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >>
> <https://resultmaps.neis-one.org/osm-discussion-comments?uid=6270480 <https://resultmaps.neis-one.org/osm-discussion-comments?uid=6270480>
> >>
> <https://resultmaps.neis-one.org/osm-discussion-comments?uid=6270480 <https://resultmaps.neis-one.org/osm-discussion-comments?uid=6270480>>>
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Comments made by other mappers to 4KK's
> changesets:
> >> >> > - 11 changesets of 4KK are discussed by
> other users
> >> (since
> >> >> April 2022)
> >> >> > - All 11 changesets have been critized by
> other
> >> mappers as
> >> >> seriously
> >> >> > and
> >> >> > clearly wrong. (with mixed degrees
> politeness, but
> >> nothing
> >> >> off the
> >> >> > spectrum of normal OSM demeanor)
> >> >> >
> >> >> > 4KK's reaction:
> >> >> > - To 9 of these comments, 4KK did not
> reply at all.
> >> >> > - To 1 changeset, 4KK replied in a polite but
> >> >> nonconstructive way:
> >> >> >
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/126707625
> <https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/126707625>
> >> <https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/126707625
> <https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/126707625>>
> >> >> >
> <https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/126707625
> <https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/126707625>
> >> <https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/126707625
> <https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/126707625>>>
> >> >> > - To 1 changeset, 4KK replied with an
> insult and
> >> nothing
> >> >> substantial:
> >> >> >
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/121494577
> <https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/121494577>
> >> <https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/121494577
> <https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/121494577>>
> >> >> >
> <https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/121494577
> <https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/121494577>
> >> <https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/121494577
> <https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/121494577>>>
> >> >> > (I think that this incident alone would
> already justify
> >> >> deletion of the
> >> >> > account)
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I did not check the actual mapping content
> of these
> >> >> changesets, so I
> >> >> > can't tell whether all the other mappers
> were always
> >> right
> >> >> with their
> >> >> > criticism. But given that 4KK has been
> repeatedly drawn
> >> >> criticism by
> >> >> > various users, I assume they are right.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Personally, I had one instance myself where I
> >> discovered
> >> >> that 4KK
> >> >> > mapped
> >> >> > a completely fictional motorway (in fact
> most credits
> >> go to
> >> >> > scabiosa_trenta), but I didn't make this
> public at the
> >> time
> >> >> because I
> >> >> > didn't see the broader picture.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Best,
> >> >> > m
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > On 26/10/2022 23:50, Miha Pavšič via
> Talk-si wrote:
> >> >> > > Živjo,
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > ja, že prej je to počel (recimo 9
> mesecev nazaj).
> >> Sam sem
> >> >> najprej
> >> >> > opazil relacijo "Razvojna os 3A
> Ljubljana-Kočevje”,
> >> kjer je
> >> >> vrisal
> >> >> > “proposed” cesto od razcepa Malence
> naprej, kot vir pa
> >> navedel
> >> >> > novico iz leta 2015. Gre samo za neko
> staro idejo, ki
> >> se je
> >> >> takrat
> >> >> > pojavila, ampak je vsaj na začetnem delu
> nerealistična
> >> in se
> >> >> o njej
> >> >> > sploh ne govori več. Bila je idejna
> zasnova, sploh ne
> >> nekaj
> >> >> > načrtovanega, in kot taka zadeva po mojem
> nima kaj
> >> iskati v OSM.
> >> >> > Kako pa bi izgledalo, če bi vsak risal
> neke idejne
> >> zasnove?
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > Skratka, changeset sem pokomentiral
> (letoss
> >> septembra),
> >> >> > komentarja z njegove strani ni bilo, pa
> tudi na moje
> >> sporočilo
> >> >> > direktno njemu ni odgovoril.
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > Lep pozdrav,
> >> >> > > Miha
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > >> On 26 Oct 2022, at 17:58, Damjan Gerl
> >> <damjan na damjan.net <mailto:damjan na damjan.net>
> <mailto:damjan na damjan.net <mailto:damjan na damjan.net>>
> >> >> > <mailto:damjan na damjan.net
> <mailto:damjan na damjan.net> <mailto:damjan na damjan.net
> <mailto:damjan na damjan.net>>>>
> >> wrote:
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >> Prosim napiši kakšno opombo na
> changeset, tako da
> >> bo tam
> >> >> "javno"
> >> >> > odgovoril (če bo), da bomo vsaj videli
> kaj/kako
> >> odgovori. In
> >> >> lahko
> >> >> > dobi tudi več odgovorov drugih osm-erjev.
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >> Potem pa se lahko ukrepa in vpraša, da
> ga iz
> >> osm-boarda
> >> >> opomnijo
> >> >> > ali začasno blokirajo, če je potrebno.
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >> LP,
> >> >> > >> Damjan
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >> From "Blaž Lorger"
> blaz.lorger na krs.net <mailto:blaz.lorger na krs.net>
> >> <mailto:blaz.lorger na krs.net <mailto:blaz.lorger na krs.net>>
> >> >> <mailto:blaz.lorger na krs.net
> <mailto:blaz.lorger na krs.net> <mailto:blaz.lorger na krs.net
> <mailto:blaz.lorger na krs.net>>>
> >> >> > >> To talk-si na openstreetmap.org
> <mailto:talk-si na openstreetmap.org>
> >> <mailto:talk-si na openstreetmap.org
> <mailto:talk-si na openstreetmap.org>>
> >> >> <mailto:talk-si na openstreetmap.org
> <mailto:talk-si na openstreetmap.org>
> >> <mailto:talk-si na openstreetmap.org
> <mailto:talk-si na openstreetmap.org>>>
> >> >> > >> Cc Date Wed, 26 Oct 2022 17:35:56 +0200
> >> >> > >> Subject [Talk-si] "izboljšave"
> uporabnika 4KK
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >> Mogoče ste že opazili da je v zadnjih dneh
> >> uporabnik 4KK
> >> >> > (https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/4KK
> <https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/4KK>
> >> <https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/4KK
> <https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/4KK>>
> >> >> > <https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/4KK
> <https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/4KK>
> >> <https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/4KK
> <https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/4KK>>>) naredil več
> >> >> sprememb na
> >> >> > področju Slovenije.
> >> >> > >> Kakšna je pozitivna, so pa tudi
> neustrezne.
> >> >> > >> Zgleda se je koncentriral na ceste pri
> tem pa je
> >> >> spremenil tudi
> >> >> > precej relacij. Zaradi površnega dela so
> vsaj nekatere
> >> izmed teh
> >> >> > relacij zdaj nepravilne. Kot na primer ta
> turn
> >> restriction
> >> >> >
> >> (https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/2653752/history
> <https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/2653752/history>
> >> <https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/2653752/history
> <https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/2653752/history>>
> >> >> >
> >> <https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/2653752/history
> <https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/2653752/history>
> >> <https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/2653752/history
> <https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/2653752/history>>>).
> >> >> Zdaj je
> >> >> > legalno narediti oster zavoj in se vrniti
> v krožišče.
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >> Na moj poziv naj popravi take napake
> je jasno
> >> odgovoril
> >> >> da tega
> >> >> > ne namerava storiti.
> >> >> > >> Predlagam da se lotite popravljanja.
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >> Pozdrav,
> >> >> > >> Blaž
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >>
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