[Talk-sn] [Talk-ml] With leisure=common deprecated, Senegal & Mali need a replacement

[severin.menard]

Bonjour,

Je suis d'accord avec Pierre : le tag landuse=common convient bien à ces espaces ouverts dans les villages et villes africaines et un parc n'a pas grand-chose à voir avec.

Severin

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I agree with Pierre: the tag landuse=common is well suited to these open spaces in African villages and towns and a park has little to do with it.

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Le mercredi 29 avril 2020 21:59, Pierre Béland via Talk-ml <talk-ml at openstreetmap.org> a écrit :

> Hi Jean-Marc
>
> Like others, I did map many of these. I can tell you that we often see a common space in center of african villages, often near the school,  and  it is surely not green and have no facilities like in the Nordic countries parks.
>
> People have to understand that there are often no infrastructures in African villages. But young people still gather and play.
>
> I dont think that the OSM tagging schema should reflect the legal status in specific countries like UK. Various tags can reflect various realities.  And leisure=common seems to be quite well adapted to Africa and dont exist to stretch the legal defininition of UK.
>
> When the tag is used in UK, I would understand that the UK contributors want to follow a certain rule particular to their country.
>
> But I dont agree to deprecate the the leisure=common tag for Africa.
>
> Pierre
>
> Le mercredi 29 avril 2020 15 h 34 min 57 s UTC−4, Jean-Marc Liotier <jm at liotier.org> a écrit :
>
> Here is a 360° picture of a square in Dakar:
> https://www.mapillary.com/map/im/jYNQFMwHiNEZRCnpi71heA- larger than a
> street (it occupies a whole city block), used as a multipurpose common
> area (pickup soccer games are a staple but parking or lounging around
> also occur, and the occasional popular event) and usually surfaced with
> sand or whatever the ground is.
>
> We have long tagged it leisure=common (389 ways in Senegal and 486 in
> Mali according to http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/TqN) - which is a bit of
> stretch from the British legal definition, but worked well enough and
> did not conflict with its British usage. But leisure=common is now
> deprecated
>
> So, what should we use instead ?
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:leisure%3Dcommonsuggests using
> leisure=park - which isn't too much of a stretch functionally but evokes
> greenery that does not occur here (though British commons are just as
> green and we were happy with leisure=common)... Any other ideas ? Or I'm
> going to use leisure=park+surface=sand !
>
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