[Talk-tr] HGK source

[H. Can Unen]

Paul,

It also says in the link you sent that, to distribute the data to third
parties would be available via the consent of the map owners and paying
them loyalties.

But I still suggest finding another source we can use and change the tags.

Can


On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 10:41 AM, H. Can Unen <can.unen at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello,
>
> HGK prohibits every action besides personal use of the purchased maps, so
> using HGK data as a source is wrong.
>
> However, there are other sources such as the road maps of Turkish General
> Directorate of Highways that we may be able to check and confirm those
> place names and change the source tags instead of deleting the nodes.
>
> Is there a way to hide the nodes from display, but make visible in the
> editor until a source that we can verify those place names is found?
>
> Can
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 10:21 AM, Orkut Murat YILMAZ <
> orkutmuratyilmaz at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Dear Paul,
>>
>> Yes, HGK is the acronym for General Command of Mapping and I guess that
>> they won't permit this situation.
>>
>> H. Can Ünen and me are going to try finding some official answers as soon
>> as possible.
>>
>> Thanks for your warning.
>>
>> Best,
>> Murat
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 7:56 AM, Paul Norman <penorman at mac.com> wrote:
>>
>>> > From: Paul Norman [mailto:penorman at mac.com]
>>> > Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2013 3:08 PM
>>> > Subject: [Talk-tr] HGK source
>>> >
>>> > In early April I noticed a number of place=village created by
>>> Muthukumar
>>> > (e.g. http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/2250559178) with
>>> > source=HGK.
>>> >
>>> > At the time I wondered if they might be an import from a source that I
>>> > didn't recognize and contacted the user asking them what the source
>>> was,
>>> > but I haven't gotten a reply in the 10 days since I messaged them, so
>>> > I'm sending the question to a wider audience. Does anyone know what
>>> > source=HGK is?
>>>
>>> Some checks revealed a potentially wider problem.
>>>
>>> source=HGK appears to refer to Harita Genel Komutanlığı which is the
>>> official Turkish mapping agency. They apparently have no forms of open
>>> data
>>> or other license which we could use the data.
>>>
>>> My best guess is the original source of the data is
>>> http://www.hgk.msb.gov.tr/urunler/diger/gazetteer.html. The metadata has
>>> terms and conditions which would prevent their use in OSM.
>>>
>>> I looked at their webpage and couldn't find anything that would allow the
>>> use of their data in OSM.
>>> http://www.hgk.msb.gov.tr/yan_menu/sorular.asp#2
>>> may be relevant and based on the Bing translation it might be allowing
>>> personal use, but not reproductions.
>>>
>>> Given the above, it looks like we're not allowed to use their data in OSM
>>> and it must be redacted (removed). I propose to start doing so later this
>>> week, after contacting katpatuka, Muthukumar, and Muruganantham, the
>>> three
>>> users who have created the most source=HGK objects.
>>>
>>> There a total of 31k objects, of which 28k are version 1. Most are by
>>> katpatuka and most are place=* nodes.
>>>
>>>
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>>
>>
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