[Talk-transit] Route relations types

[Richard Mann]

There's a clear definition - a coach has it's wheels attached to an
underframe distinct from the bodywork. That's why they're higher and have a
more-comfortable ride.

However there's an overlap caused by the 50km rule. I would surmise that the
same threshold is used to require free access by freedom pass holders
(over-65s).

So I'd be inclined to call both route=bus, and use other tags
(service=inter-urban/long-distance? vehicle=coach?) to distinguish them.

Richard

On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 1:20 PM, Peter Miller <peter.miller at itoworld.com>wrote:

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>   On 5 Aug 2009, at 13:05, Frankie Roberto wrote:
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> On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 12:38 PM, Roger Slevin <roger at slevin.plus.com>wrote:
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>>  Before anyone answers your question, please bear in mind that there is
>> no clear definition of a “coach” ... and I have dealt with a feedback to
>> traveline on this very point only this morning.  A limited stop service
>> between Cambridge and Oxford operated by vehicles which have “coach-style”
>> seats and which the operator refers to as “coaches” runs a limited stop
>> service between the two cities (the X5) – so we call this a coach.  The
>> complaint came from someone who had been unable to find this service as a
>> “bus” because he saw a “coach” as being something which you had to prebook,
>> and which expected a significant number of passengers to have luggage which
>> went into luggage lockers under (or at the back of) the vehicle.
>>
>
> Whilst I agree that there's no hard-and-fast distinction between buses and
> coaches, I think that using route=bus-coach is just going to confuse people!
>
> I'd suggest using either route=bus or route=coach, and simply going with
> whichever feels most correct (based upon what the route calls itself or how
> people generally refer to it).
>
> This doesn't resolve the potential ambiguities, but renderers and routing
> software would be advised to use a bit leeway when doing searches.
>
>
> I understood that one difference in the UK is if it was under 50km the
> operator could reclaim tax on their fuel. There is also evidently a 50 km
> rule about tachographs, where drivers operating longer routes need tachos,
> but ones on shorter routes (urban buses) don't.
>
> I think it is also useful to distinguish the sort of seating. I was on a
> coach last week, big leather seats and air-conditioning - very comfortable
> and reasonably quick. No toilet which surprised me, but it was only a 1 hour
> journey so I guess that is fair-enough. The experience of using a normal
> urban bus would have been very poor in comparison and I wouldn't have taken
> it.
>
>
> Personally I would vote for the distinction to be retained on the basis of the distance and type of vehicle.
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> Regards,
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> peter
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> Frankie
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