[Talk-transit] New 'Transit' page and proposed Stop Place model

Peter Miller peter.miller at itoworld.com
Thu Aug 6 11:40:57 BST 2009

On 6 Aug 2009, at 10:37, Frankie Roberto wrote:

> On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 10:17 AM, Peter Miller <peter.miller at itoworld.com 
> > wrote:
> I have create a new top level page for 'transit' and redirected
> 'public transport' to that page.
> Take a look here and tell me what you think, and do of course make it
> better!
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Transit
> This is really useful, well done for starting this!
> I am also proposing to write basic articles for each of the individual
> modes that I have identified (currently the 'main' articles referred
> to are mostly to redirects to a tag page which isn't sufficient).
> Agreed.
> Do you think Tram should be included in Rail or be discussed  
> separately?
> I'd suggest having a separate page, as the sharing of the ways with  
> highways (street running) causes quite a few complications which  
> aren't experienced with Rail.
> I'm not sure whether "Trams", "Tramways" or "Tram systems" is the  
> best name for the page - any thoughts? Whichever we pick, the others  
> should be a redirect.

That was my feeling as well. The complexity of Trams will be easier to  
explain in its own article. The name of the article matters less than  
the content given that it can be moved. Lets start writing the  
articles and then we can see what feel right and ensure that all the  
titles are consistent. If we have Trams, then we should have Buses and  
Trains etc. Busways doesn't make sense so I suggest Trams is right  
> You will also notice that I am also plugging a proposal I am
> developing for a new consistent Stop Place model ( based on Oxoma's
> proposal) which you can read about here:
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:PeterIto/Stop_Place
> I'm getting a little confused by having so many separate proposals  
> on so many different pages (many of which are user pages). I'd  
> suggest:
> a) developing these schemes within the public namespace, so as to  
> encourage more collaboration/discussion.

I totally agree. I was developing it in my name-space out of  
politeness with the intention of moving it to the main space if the  
community requested it. I suggest we work to get one article that  
works for us and then we make it clear that the other proposals are  
now redundant (useful and great that they were produced, but not a  
suitable reference for current tagging). I will move it later today  
until I hear any objections. Feel free to edit away if you like in the  
mean time.

> b) splitting the pages down into smaller components - eg railways,  
> bus stops, train services, train stations, etc. Whilst it's good to  
> have an overall conceptual model, I think most mappers will be more  
> interested in understanding how to tag at a feature level.

Umm.. I  think it is important to have a page for the conceptual model  
and then when we are happy with it, we introduce it into the other  
articles in the context of that transport mode. A description of a  
Stop Place for a drag-lift will be pretty different from that of an  
airport, but I am keen that there is a consistency across modes from a  
programming and tagging perspective.
> I think we should also remove the redirect from http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:public_transport 
>  and turn that into a standard Key page (with the KeyDescription  
> infobox) documenting existing and proposed usage of the key.   
> Likewise, it'd be useful to have the relevant tag and key pages for  
> all the other tags and keys that are in use or proposed.

It is certainly not appropriate for it to redirect to a user page. For  
now I have redirected it to the Transit article until someone fancies  
adding some content, however....  I am not clear if we even want a key  
of that title, should we not standarise on Transit rather than public  
transport. The proposed use of the tag is something I would prefer to  
call stop_place anyway.



> Cheers,
> Frankie
> -- 
> Frankie Roberto
> Experience Designer, Rattle
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