[Talk-transit] New 'Transit' page and proposed Stop Place model

[Peter Miller]

On 6 Aug 2009, at 14:07, Frankie Roberto wrote:

> On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 11:40 AM, Peter Miller <peter.miller at itoworld.com 
> > wrote:
>
>
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>> b) splitting the pages down into smaller components - eg railways,  
>> bus stops, train services, train stations, etc. Whilst it's good to  
>> have an overall conceptual model, I think most mappers will be more  
>> interested in understanding how to tag at a feature level.
>
> Umm.. I  think it is important to have a page for the conceptual  
> model and then when we are happy with it, we introduce it into the  
> other articles in the context of that transport mode. A description  
> of a Stop Place for a drag-lift will be pretty different from that  
> of an airport, but I am keen that there is a consistency across  
> modes from a programming and tagging perspective.
>
> I think I more-or-less agree. I'm mainly just keen that we keep the  
> discussion embedded in the context of actual usage (with plenty of  
> real-life examples) rather than being too abstract.

Ok, I completely agree that someone who wants to model a railway  
station should have to look no further that the train page (or railway  
station page) and should gets lots of great examples of how to model  
stations (and nothing about drag-lifts!).

However... I also want there to be a good robust general purpose model  
behind it (what I call the Stop Place) and that also needs a page that  
the developers look at when wondering how to model the world  
efficiently (including drag-lifts and Manchester Airport!).
>
>> I think we should also remove the redirect from http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:public_transport 
>>  and turn that into a standard Key page (with the KeyDescription  
>> infobox) documenting existing and proposed usage of the key.   
>> Likewise, it'd be useful to have the relevant tag and key pages for  
>> all the other tags and keys that are in use or proposed.
>
> It is certainly not appropriate for it to redirect to a user page.  
> For now I have redirected it to the Transit article until someone  
> fancies adding some content, however....  I am not clear if we even  
> want a key of that title, should we not standarise on Transit rather  
> than public transport. The proposed use of the tag is something I  
> would prefer to call stop_place anyway.
>
> I agree that whether we need the key or not is unclear. However,  
> since there's at least some usages of it currently, I think it's  
> worth documenting what the existing practice is at least (same for  
> other tags with significant usage).

fine by me
>
> This reminds me - I think it'd be worth encouraging people here to  
> share links to OSM for public transport stops/routes/etc that  
> they've mapped, for feedback and discussion. I did this a while back  
> on the discussion page for the unified_stoparea proposal (see http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Proposed_features/unified_stoparea)
>
> In this spirit, here's what I've mostly done so far:
>
> Oxford Road train station (http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/78910 
> )
>  - mapped the platforms as areas (railway=platform, role=platform)
>  - mapped all the tracks, and the stopping points (role=halt) with  
> one of them marked as the 'main' one with railway=station and a name  
> tag.
> - station building outline (building=yes, no role)
> - footbridge and steps (not part of the relation - wasn't sure  
> whether they should be?)
>
> Have started to map the tram system in Manchester as two separate  
> tracks (http://osm.org/go/evgo1FaS--) though this is complicated by  
> the sharing of ways with the highway, and the current part-closure  
> of the system for track replacement.
>
> Mapping UK tram system routes as relations (see http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_Trams)
>
> Mapping UK 'minor railway' routes as relations (see http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_United_Kingdom_Independent_and_minor_railways)

I suggest we have a list of 'examples of good practice' associated  
with each page. the Tram page should like to good examples of Tram  
modelling and also all the tram related projects and email list around  
the world. Similarly the Train / Railway page would do the same for  
trains. I suggest the Stop Place page might give some examples of a  
few of each sort of Stop Place, including a real monster multi-modal   
interchange (JFK, Heathrow or Schipol).

Regards,



Peter


>
> Would welcome comments on any of those - and would love to see which  
> bits of the map other people are working on!
>
>
> Frankie
>
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