[Talk-transit] Weird stations in the UK (as shown on Googlemaps)

Peter Miller peter.miller at itoworld.com
Thu Aug 20 17:51:10 BST 2009

On 20 Aug 2009, at 17:00, Frankie Roberto wrote:

> On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 3:53 PM, Peter Miller <peter.miller at itoworld.com 
> > wrote:
> There are four station in the King's Cross/ St Pancras on Google[5].
> Two for St Pancras station, one for King's Cross Station and then one
> for King's Cross/St Pancras. NaPTAN does have two stations for St
> Pancras (possibly the international section is treated as a separate
> station for operational reasons) but only seems to have one for King's
> Cross Station in NaPTAN. I am not sure where the combined one on
> Google has come from but it does possibly make sense to present them
> as a single station at some zoom levels.
> Is Kings Cross St. Pancras tube station part of the same station  
> complex as St Pancras International/Domestic, I wonder? On the  
> ground, I'd have said yes, but it's really mainly the name that  
> connects, seeing as it's equally well connected physically with both  
> St Pancras rail station and Kings Cross rail station.
> Mind you, I've always found Kings Cross to be confusing on the  
> ground too - once almost missed my train by not realising that I  
> needed Kings Cross Thameslink rather than Kings Cross.

And I only noticed today that Kings Cross Thameslink station was  
closed a year or so ago and the trains now use St Pancras.

Can I suggest that we build a hierarchy available using relations.  
Firstly we have a station called Kings Cross (Mainline) using a  
relation to bind together the platforms, entrances and facilities  
related to that station. Similarly we create a relation for St Pancras  
with its facilities and another called Kings Cross/St Pancras  
Underground or what ever. We then create create another relation of  
the top of those a call it Kings Cross/St Pancras which includes the  
other relations. At different zoom levels one can then choose to  
display differing levels of detail starting with a single dot for a  
map of the UK getting more detail as one gets closer.

For Bank and Monument, I suggest that they are modelled using separate  
relations at 'level 1' and then as a single station at the outer level  
with a relation that binds the other two relations.

The main rule will be that each feature on the ground is only  
represented once as a way.

In the case of Reading station where there are evidently two stations  
for operational reasons one should create one relation with everything  
in it to be used for publicity purposes assuming that is what it looks  
like on the group, but one might also create two additional relations  
for the sections that are managed by X and by Y separately. We have  
done something along these lines with relations for SRS sections on  
railway lines (for example http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/166452) 



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