[Talk-transit] Weird stations in the UK (as shown on Googlemaps)

Roger Slevin roger at slevin.plus.com
Thu Aug 20 18:04:39 BST 2009


Peter

 

At least some of the relationships (those where there are two rail station
codes) are already in NaPTAN - look at the Area Hieararchy records which
have rail station stopareas linked to each other where necessary

 

Roger

 

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[mailto:talk-transit-bounces at openstreetmap.org] On Behalf Of Peter Miller
Sent: 20 August 2009 17:51
To: Public transport/transit/shared taxi related topics
Subject: Re: [Talk-transit] Weird stations in the UK (as shown on
Googlemaps)

 

 

On 20 Aug 2009, at 17:00, Frankie Roberto wrote:





 

On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 3:53 PM, Peter Miller <peter.miller at itoworld.com>
wrote:

 

There are four station in the King's Cross/ St Pancras on Google[5].
Two for St Pancras station, one for King's Cross Station and then one
for King's Cross/St Pancras. NaPTAN does have two stations for St
Pancras (possibly the international section is treated as a separate
station for operational reasons) but only seems to have one for King's
Cross Station in NaPTAN. I am not sure where the combined one on
Google has come from but it does possibly make sense to present them
as a single station at some zoom levels.



Is Kings Cross St. Pancras tube station part of the same station complex as
St Pancras International/Domestic, I wonder? On the ground, I'd have said
yes, but it's really mainly the name that connects, seeing as it's equally
well connected physically with both St Pancras rail station and Kings Cross
rail station.

Mind you, I've always found Kings Cross to be confusing on the ground too -
once almost missed my train by not realising that I needed Kings Cross
Thameslink rather than Kings Cross.

 

And I only noticed today that Kings Cross Thameslink station was closed a
year or so ago and the trains now use St Pancras.

 

Can I suggest that we build a hierarchy available using relations. Firstly
we have a station called Kings Cross (Mainline) using a relation to bind
together the platforms, entrances and facilities related to that station.
Similarly we create a relation for St Pancras with its facilities and
another called Kings Cross/St Pancras Underground or what ever. We then
create create another relation of the top of those a call it Kings Cross/St
Pancras which includes the other relations. At different zoom levels one can
then choose to display differing levels of detail starting with a single dot
for a map of the UK getting more detail as one gets closer.

 

For Bank and Monument, I suggest that they are modelled using separate
relations at 'level 1' and then as a single station at the outer level with
a relation that binds the other two relations.

 

The main rule will be that each feature on the ground is only represented
once as a way.

 

In the case of Reading station where there are evidently two stations for
operational reasons one should create one relation with everything in it to
be used for publicity purposes assuming that is what it looks like on the
group, but one might also create two additional relations for the sections
that are managed by X and by Y separately. We have done something along
these lines with relations for SRS sections on railway lines (for example
http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/166452).

 

 

 

Regards,

 

 

 

Peter

 






Frankie

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