[Talk-transit] All about bus stops

Peter Miller peter.miller at itoworld.com
Tue Jan 27 16:33:27 GMT 2009

On 26 Jan 2009, at 19:44, Christian Krützfeldt wrote:

> Looking at the ideas posted up to now, most people would prefer  
> putting the bus stop next to the road instead of on the road.
> But what is a bus stop? Is it the physical place where a bus comes  
> to a stop as in stop to let people in and out? Or is a bus stop the  
> place where there is a sign "bus stop" ?

Good question. TransModel defines a Stop Points as 'A POINT where  
passengers can board or alight from vehicles. ' Is has been my  
understanding that it is where the passenger waits to board or alight,  
ie close to where the bus's door will be, but not where they would get  
run over! I suggest we use this definition, and for convenience use  
the position of the pole or the shelter. The roadway where the vehicle  
arrives should be a highway of some sort, possibly service?

> In most cases the bus stops on the road, over here in Germany there  
> are in lots of cases extra lanes or "bays" where the bus stops, but  
> it is definitely part of the road network.

I would suggest one codes all the places vehicles can move as  
highway=service and create areas where pedestrians wait as  
highway=footway and area=yes? and then add points to them for the  
stops themselves?

Do anyone have a good one to put forward as an exemplar?

> I would tag the place where the bus stops (as in comes to a halt) as  
> lane information on the road.
> If it is some sort of extra bay, then the road has an extra lane for  
> 25 meter, 100 yards or however long it is. Maybe use something like  
> lane=busstop.
> If the bus stops on the normal lane (where I would drive with my  
> car) then just add lane=busstop to the part of the road where the  
> bus stops.
> This is important information. On a road where the bus stops on the  
> lane I would drive on, it will probably take longer for me to drive  
> than on roads where the bus stops in extra bays and I could pass  
> while the bus is stopped.
> Also tourist bus drivers might be interested in knowing if there is  
> a bay where they could stop and let everybody out without  
> interfering with all other traffic. Or truck drivers, do they have  
> to stop in the middle of the road to unload or can they use a bus  
> stop to do there unloading?

Sounds like a good idea. Could we generalise this a little though from  
'lane=busstop'; could we in general use a name that is also suitable  
for other modes, such as trams, trains etc.

> In addition to tagging where the bus stops, it should be possible to  
> tag the location of any shelters or signs with bus timetables.
> Any maybe it could be a good idea to add all the individual tags  
> into one relation and call it a bus stop plus give it the name of  
> the bus stop.
> Example:
> For a bus stop with a bay for the bus to stop on both sides of the  
> road and signs, plus one shelter with a bench, I would tag the  
> following.
> Split the way according to where the bays are and add extra lanes to  
> the way on that part of the way. Add lane=busstop to the lanes.
> Tag the two signs with something like amenity=busstopsign. And the  
> shelter with shelter=yes bench=yes.
> Then create a relation. Tag it with type=busstop  
> name=NameOfTheBusStop and add the shelter, the two signs plus the  
> part of the road where the bus stops to it.
> See:
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/lane_and_lane_group
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/lane_and_lane_group/Example_01
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Relations/Proposed/Lane
> For some ideas about lanes.
> Just my thoughts about bus stops,
> Christian
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