[Talk-transit] NaPTAN import

Peter Miller peter.miller at itoworld.com
Tue Mar 10 11:50:51 GMT 2009

On 9 Mar 2009, at 21:07, Roger Slevin wrote:

> Brian and all
> I am happy to arrange for an updated NaPTAN file to be used for the  
> proposed test import.  I think Peter Miller may have made the  
> current test data available (with my agreement) – and I am happy if  
> Peter supplies the updated files as and when you are ready to use  
> them.
> NaPTAN data is continually changing (albeit slowly) so it is worth  
> taking the most up to date data once you are ready.

Excellent news!

With regard to actually getting the data, are you able to download it  
from the Thales site? If you are then please do that. For the  
avoidance of doubt can you provide me with the URL you will be using  
to access the data to ensure that it is current.



> Best wishes
> RogerS
> From: talk-transit-bounces at openstreetmap.org [mailto:talk-transit-bounces at openstreetmap.org 
> ]On Behalf Of Brian Prangle
> Sent: 09 March 2009 10:00
> To: talk-transit at openstreetmap.org
> Subject: [Talk-transit] NaPTAN import
> Hi everyone
> Summarising where I believe we've got to:
> 1. Thomas: schedule for completion - we're entirely in your hands -  
> agree it's best to avoid the API update.
> 2. Birmingham only for test import
> 3. No highway=bus_stop tags, enabling us to merge/verify existing  
> OSM data ( Christophe's visual tool to eventually solve this manual  
> task) BUT tag taxi ranks as amenity=taxi
> 4. Import on the basis of the current selection/naming in naptan  
> tagging wiki. Imports to be carried out by new user naptan
> 5. Plusbus zones and stop areas - import the naptan data only and  
> leave doing anything with it until the debate on stopareas reaches a  
> conclusion
> 6. Roger/Peter:  is our current method of accessing the data OK? Or  
> do you have to explicitly issue us with a dataset (perhaps the data  
> publicly available for test is not the most current/accurate?)
> 7. Andy: agree on re-tagging w mids bus stops with route_ref and  
> using semicolons instead of pipes to separate route nos in order to  
> standardise - presume you have an automated routine for this?
> 8. Update needed on wiki regarding bus_stops (Andy? I'm happy to do  
> a first draft for you to edit before publication - or better still  
> submit it to this discussion list)
> Parked for later discussion/solution
> a)Stopareas (see above)
> b)Big-bang vs regional adoption (probably a talk gb discussion once  
> Birmingham data and process completed)
> c)handling NaPTAN bus_stop updates
> d) importing further NaPTAN public transport data
> e) user feedback - there's a wide range of skill and experience in  
> the OSM community and there are certain to be problems. An explicit  
> route needed?
> f) how to maintain data integrity once it's imported and  
> inexperienced users potentially delete data that other users have  
> written applications that rely on it being there. I guess this is  
> general problem not specific to this project- but this is a donated  
> dataset and potentially could drive a considerable number of  
> applications
> Unless there are any strong objections,(or I've ommitted anything  
> from the discussions) I'd like to think we can close the discussion  
> on the import and let Thomas get on with finishing the coding. Thank  
> you everyone for your time and contributions
> We can continue discussion on the parked items and anything else  
> that doesn't impact the coding for the first live Birmingham import
> Regards
> Brian
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