[Talk-transit] [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Naptan alignment

Peter Miller peter.miller at itoworld.com
Tue Mar 31 20:50:54 BST 2009

On 31 Mar 2009, at 20:22, Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) wrote:

> Peter Miller [mailto:petermiller63 at googlemail.com] On Behalf Of Peter
> Miller wrote:
>> 4) I notice that sometimes the NaPTAN stop and the OSM one are some
>> significant distance apart which begs the question about which one is
>> right.
> I've noted this too. I'm going to do a precise check in my area to  
> see what
> accuracy I place on the NaPTAN positions. I've also from today  
> started to be
> more precise about getting the position of bus stops when I survey.  
> I should
> be within 0.5m +/- the GPS accuracy (generally sub 5m with this  
> Legend HCx I
> use).

If you are getting that precise it will be useful to agree where the  
stop should be. We might have a number of points

1) A pole and/or a shelter
3) Optionally a lay-by where the vehicle stops
4) A spot where one would expect to stand to get onto the bus  
(opposite the door).

Can I suggest that it might be appropriate to use the position of the  
pole and/or shelter as the reference for the bus stop and applications  
should then assume that the bus stops at the road edge with its doors  
at the nearest point to the shelter. If that is not the case then  
possibly we need a 'stopping point' node next to the road to show  
where the front doors of the vehicle would be.

Should we also create a 'lay_by' or 'bay' attribute to say if there is  
a place for the vehicle to pull in to pick up passenger. It might be  
neat to be able to describe what sort of facility is provided. In some  
places it will be a pull-in pull-out bay, in others it might be a pull  
up, reverse out bay. If we have that information then future rendering  
engines will be able to get it right.

This is what I mean by pull-in pull-out

And this is a Pull-in reverse-out one



> Cheers
> Andy
>> Anyway, it looks like the detective work is now starts! Great work.
>> Regards,
>>> Cheers
>>> Andy
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: talk-gb-westmidlands-bounces at openstreetmap.org [mailto:talk-gb-
>>>> westmidlands-bounces at openstreetmap.org] On Behalf Of Brian Prangle
>>>> Sent: 31 March 2009 9:46 AM
>>>> To: Talk-gb-westmidlands at openstreetmap.org; talk-
>> transit at openstreetmap.org
>>>> ;
>>>> Thomas Wood
>>>> Subject: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Naptan alignment
>>>> Thomas
>>>> I've also looked at Google maps and their alignment is off too in
>>>> exactly
>>>> the same way ours is in areas I know well and have surveyed, so I
>>>> guess
>>>> it's down to the NaPTAN data. There are examples where I know the
>>>> bus stops
>>>> are in a row along the street (Corporation Street  and Acocks Green
>>>> Village
>>>> for example) but NapTAN has one or two skewed from the line by
>>>> several
>>>> metres.  Currently I favour correcting the NapTAN data  to what we
>>>> know on
>>>> the ground, but until a consensus emerges I'm laying off the urge  
>>>> to
>>>> correct it.
>>>> Regards
>>>> Brian
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