[Talk-transit] Should railway station relations include busstops?

Peter Miller peter.miller at itoworld.com
Thu Sep 10 08:10:43 BST 2009

On 10 Sep 2009, at 00:45, Thomas Wood wrote:

> NaPTAN provides relations for stations (or at least it should, I've
> yet to check), in most cases, this will contain the station node, and
> entrance nodes, and child relations eg, the stops outside of it.
> I've yet to import them, but I do have all the backreferences stored  
> to do so.

NaPTAN allows for a hierarchy of stop areas.

In NaPTAN there should be a Stop Area for all the features directly  
associated with the railway station.

There can then be other (un-related) stop areas associated with groups  
of bus stops around the station

I believe that an additional Stop Area can then be used to bind all of  
the above into one. The rendered can then choose to do one blob for  
all the public transport features around the station, or one for  
station itself and to identify every feature individually.

Stop Areas are not well used across the UK, some areas use them, some  
don't and where they are used the data can be a little suspect.  
Possibly we could aim to do a better job over time?



> On 10/09/2009, Frankie Roberto <frankie at frankieroberto.com> wrote:
>> Hi all,
>> Last question of the night from me.
>> I've been creating relations for railway stations (see
>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_train_stations)  
>> and just
>> noticed, when doing Marylebone (
>> http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/238413), that there's  
>> already a
>> Naptan-created relation for the bus stop (
>> http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/199421).
>> Should these two be merged? Or are bus stop areas and train stations
>> conceptually distinct?
>> Frankie
>> P.S I note that the Naptan relation doesn't have a type=* tag. This  
>> should
>> probably be type=site?
>> --
>> Frankie Roberto
>> Experience Designer, Rattle
>> 0114 2706977
>> http://www.rattlecentral.com
> -- 
> Regards,
> Thomas Wood
> (Edgemaster)
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