[Talk-transit] Relations for stop areas in NaPTAN

Peter Miller peter.miller at itoworld.com
Mon Sep 28 15:51:18 BST 2009

On 28 Sep 2009, at 14:58, Frankie Roberto wrote:

> Jerry wrote:
> I've just noticed that the relations for stop places generated in  
> the NaPTAN import do not have a type. I just happened to be browsing  
> through some KeepRight issues and noticed a number of relation  
> without type ones.
> I think the consensus is that these should become type=site. This  
> can be made more specific by either using site=* (eg  
> site=railway_station) and/or traditional tags like railway=station  
> and amenity=bus_station.

Firstly I suggest we stick with Stop Area and not use Stop Place. Stop  
Place is more correct from a CEN standards perspective but Stop Area  
is very much adopted.

I think the site approach makes a lot of sense and it would be  
straightforward to migrate to this over time.

> Peter Miller wrote:
> I noticed yesterday that the public transport article[1]  is still  
> linking to 'User:Oxomoa/Public transport schema' article for tagging  
> information even though this is a personal page and therefore not  
> something that others should touch.
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Tirkon seems to have moved  
> the content from "Public transport" into "Public Transport", which  
> was a pre-existing page that linked to Oxomoa's proposal. I'm  
> guessing that this is to better link it to the DE:Public Transport  
> page.  I can't remember what we decided about capitalisation  
> conventions (I think we'd said it was worth following the Wikipedia- 
> like "Public transport" style), so it might be worth reversing these  
> redirects.

The guidelines page recommends using Wikipedia convention. He also  
broke a number of redirects which are now double redirects. Can I  
suggest you 'propose' a move back and that you put your reasons on the  
talk page to avoid a wiki-war. It would have been polite for the  
person to have proposed the move in the first place of course.

> I have developed a Stop Area article[2] based on Oxomoa's proposal  
> and which also included feedback from CEN. It is currently available  
> as a 'proposed feature'. however it should in general echo current  
> practice. Would it be appropriate to now move it into the main name- 
> space and use it as the primary overview article for stations, bus  
> stops etc?
> I've been trying to slowly copy some of ideas from your proposal  
> (and other conventions in use) into the Public transport page, and  
> the various mode pages (eg Railways), as well as creating tag- 
> specific pages where appropriate (eg Tag:route=railway). I think  
> this is probably a better approach than trying to have one uber- 
> proposal.

To be clear, it is only a proposal for Stop Areas, not for everything  
to do with public transport, but it could also sit in the relevant  
articles and fade away over time. I do however think it is useful to  
have a simple table giving the tags for an 'access' for each transport  
mode. The discussion sections would of course all be moved to the talk  
page so the article itself would shrink a lot.

> If so should we just do it or do a formal vote first. Given that it  
> is actually now a summary of current practice I would recommend  
> moving it without voting but would be happy to follow the majority  
> view. Thoughts please!
> Agreed we don't need a vote.  Community consensus, and working  
> examples, are much more important.

Possibly we move it from proposals to the main section and then  
consider what it's future will  be. I would however suggest that we  
discourage any links to the 'old' proposals, including  
unified_stop_area and Oxomoa's proposal except for historical  
background. Possibly we need to get the Germans on board for this  
since they seem keen on linking to Oxomoa's proposal.



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