[Talk-transit] Again about time tables, and some interesting sites

Chris Hill osm at raggedred.net
Mon Dec 6 13:34:05 GMT 2010

Taking data in small parts, hoping no one will complain is not the way 
to do it. Get written permission to use the data in a way that is 
compatible to OSM, or leave it alone.

Cheers, Chris
user: chillly

On 06/12/10 13:13, Andrei Klochko wrote:
> Ok, finally someone that really knows the case! so. First, if it is
> like that, then a proper authorization to use the timetables and
> routes, one by one, granted by veolia, keolis and transdev would do
> for a great amount of pt companies in france. Correct? I happen to
> have contacted veolia's director of developpement and innovation, who,
> verbally, i know, told me that no o'e would ever oppose me, at least
> in veolia, for taking these timetables, one by one, from all
> subsidiary transporters' sites. The same for routes. If i cannot trust
> this kind of saying...then, who can i trust? For more technical
> details, i will send you another email, as i'm still better in french
> than in english, especially for such technical language... but thank
> you for someone from french pt answering, at last!
> Le lundi 6 décembre 2010, Jacques Lys<jacques at famille-lys.com>  a écrit :
>> Hello,
>> I'm afraid you're wrong : Transit data are generally not freely available in France.You should know that legally, PT are the responsibility of local authorities. In fact these authorities entrust the operation of PT networks to companies which are often subsidiaries of three major groups (Keolis, Transdev and Veolia ... soon 2 because Transdev and Veolia are expected to merge!) through "Delegations de Service Public" (Delegations of Public Service) concluded for a fixed period (often 10 years).
>> In fact, PT data are most often seen by agencies as being critical data they have to protect while submitting tender for "Delegation de Service Public".
>> Contrary to what you seem to believe, nobody enjoys 'nice governmental jobs' in French PT (almost all agencies are under common law...) and it's not by simple jealousy that employees wanting to protect their jobs refuse to submit data!
>> Fortunately, for some time, the trend seems to be in setting PT data free : local authorities are more and more seeing themselves as the PT data owners and some of them are planning to make those data freely available to the public. That is what comes just to be done in Rennes (Brittany), where the "Communauté d'Agglomération Rennes-Métropole" recently proposed data in GTFS format (http://www.nosdonnees.fr/package/donnees-transport-rennes-metropole).
>> The times they are a-Changin', even in France !
>> Cordialement.
>> Jacques LysOpenStreetMap Contributor IT Manager in a French Transit Agency

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