[Talk-transit] Osm and Android = Osmand

Andrei Klochko transportsplan3 at gmail.com
Mon Dec 6 20:53:07 GMT 2010

Precisely, are there no copyright issues in taking the name of bus
stops, what line stops there, the order of the stops on a line, and
ultimately, the whole bus route of a line, and all the routes and bus
stops of a single company? Or do you ask permission every time to the
company? And no, it is not always sufficient to tell the company you
mean it no harm. It is often sufficient, but not always: some
companies will stay closed far longer than you may imagine. So legal
issues are always part of the question, although i have to admit this
osmand project looks great, as an application project. And of course,
i also admit that, by gathering compliance from companies, you can
already make a respectable transport map. I am just sad that these
days, it is alwas google that ultimately wins. They are too clever...

Le lundi 6 décembre 2010, andre van atten <andrevanatten at gmail.com> a écrit :
> Hi,
> Let's talk transit instead of lawsuit. I want to draw your attention to Osmand, which is a nice app for android phones. It has a high potential, because it combines cached tiles (in a sqlite database) with the ability of vector rendering. And there is a lot of transit possibilities.
> It handles very compact prefabricated osm databases. So for instance, Netherlands which is more then 7 Gb osm xml is packed into 300 MB. You can switch styles on the fly, like realtime mapnik ;-)
> The nice part: the Mapcreator allows the creation of transit indexes. Look on the Google code site, and see screenshots. Try the beta version 0.51 in download section http://code.google.com/p/osmand/ and download some indexes from the interface. Indexes are map indexes or maps, poi data and transit data indexes. These transit data consists of point and click busstops, and train tram metro of course. When you click on one of them you see which lines are stopping and their destinations. You can set a destination, in which case you can ask a direct route between your position and the destination. Then it tells you which stop to get on, which line to take, which stops are between, and the closest stop to exit. All stops between are highlighted. You can even plan from there with a second trip. No timetables, no frequency, but very nice. You can put a openbusmap cached layer beneath. And you can tell Osmand to fetch the most detailed level from the internet only from the place where you zoom in with your phone.
> There are plan to dynamically render the bus lines with the route = bus tag, and to label them with the related buslines. Very cool. This could be the killer app for osm and transit in osm. Btw: it let's you edit pois and their tags and upload them to osm instantly with your osm login. Cool!
> The project is opensource, anyone can help, simply become member of the group and help the project members with actual information, or submit your own java code to enhance it. And please explain how to use relations in the transit part.
> Concerning the data. Just ask!! There are a lot of agencies giving their data to Google transit but still have sympathy for osm guys struggling to serve the community. Just say you ate serving mankind, and giving free publicity to their transit company, enabling a link to their site is enough, that's what they want. Explain that if only 1 of the 10 visitors on osm site buys a ticket for the journey, they will earn substantially. They are even able and willing to pay servers or will host some osm data. Sure.
> Your unique selling point is that you can promise to look into bike and footways around stations and stops, and publish info about stops, if you can reach them if you ate disabled, if it is safe, if it had an abri, stuff like that.
> The better part of osm is that Google or navteq or teleatlas will never beat osm with detail for walking and biking. Simply because they won't get out of their cars with video, and 12 cameras. Osm people do. They do the handwork,.and they do it well.
> Andre

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