[Talk-transit] Proposed Feature - 2nd RFC - Public Transport

Michał Borsuk michal.borsuk at gmail.com
Tue Jan 11 11:15:08 GMT 2011


Am 11.01.2011 10:34, schrieb Claudius Henrichs:
>
> Arguments for relations in each direction:
> - easier to check correctness and completeness (simply select each 
> direction's relation in JOSM)
> - easier to manage routes where the vehicle takes different routes and 
> stops in each direction
...which is very rare in Europe.
> I already see it's more a question of taste here, but I feel it's more 
> elegant to work with seperated relations for each direction. 
So do I. This is an indeed more orderly way. But it hits efficiency very 
much. Administration of two routes when the bus is temporarily rerouted 
is twice the work.

And besides the above, I've seen such a nonsense as an RE train route 
entered as two relations.

> And less stressfull when using a 300 members opposed to a 500+ member 
> relation.
Don't see the point here, really.
> From a short test it seems like P2 does work fine with nested 
> relations so that's no counter-argument anymore.
>
Does P2 allow copying relations so that the opposite relation can be 
done easily? I don't think so.

Again, I dislike the current "standard". It's not a standard. But I am 
against jumping to something new just because we don't like what we 
have. We could find ourselves in deeper trouble by implementing 
something that is not easily understood by the mappers, because they 
will, for example, implement it in a bad way.

So I vote for a simple solution to the existing problem. "Simple" 
already eliminates anything that resembles oxomoa. And what Teddych 
proposed is even more complicated.
> The type=route_master thingie is new to me, 
This has been proposed some time ago as a reply to oxomoa's messiness 
with data structures. So somebody suggested a bigger mess to make order 
in a smaller mess. Gib's ein Wort für "efficiency" in deutsche Sprache? 
Can nobody really see how much more complicated and time-consuming this 
is becoming? At the cost of what, gaining 5% in data structure clarity? 
For me the gain isn't really worth the time.

> I strongly support this proposal which 90% reflect how I'm currently 
> mapping in Europe and Asia.
Think of new users.
> Claudius
>
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Michał Borsuk

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